[Sigmund451]

II dislike change as much or more than the next guy but there are folks here just hammering the Sotw admin staff. Some of these guys are typing their fingers to the bone to help get things done. At the same time they are taking the brunt of the perceived blame.

Yes, the marketplace is a mess, no one likes ads, the new format is new and sometimes buggy.

Face reality, its not gonna change back. The more you want it to, the longer its going to take to adjust. This is still SOTW and its made upof people, not computer programs. So my advice is to let go and start posting about music, cooking,or whatever. Heck, with covid, politics and the platform change a thread with some really good jokes would be welcome right now. Life isnt easy right now. Dont make it harder.

 

[Benjamin Allen]

II dislike change as much or more than the next guy but there are folks here just hammering the Sotw admin staff. Some of these guys are typing their fingers to the bone to help get things done. At the same time they are taking the brunt of the perceived blame.

Yes, the marketplace is a mess, no one likes ads, the new format is new and sometimes buggy.

Face reality, its not gonna change back. The more you want it to, the longer its going to take to adjust. This is still SOTW and its made upof people, not computer programs. So my advice is to let go and start posting about music, cooking,or whatever. Heck, with covid, politics and the platform change a thread with some really good jokes would be welcome right now. Life isnt easy right now. Dont make it harder.

Well put, Phil. Thanks for leading on this issue.

 

[bandmommy]

It was a shock and I did voice my initial displeasure.
After a few days it's getting easier to find my way around.
Thanks to all of our mods for trying their hardest to make this transition as painless as they can.
After the grumbling its not that bad. 🙂

 

[Dr G]

Looks like a change is gonna come: November 2020 New Marketplace (now Classifieds) policy

Now I'll get blasted for crossposting. You can't please all the people all the time.

Don't forget to tip your favorite moderators!

Tip Jar!

 

[Sigmund451]

I voiced my opinions and suggestions too. Nothing changed and I simply reminded myself that thisnforum is not a democracy,,,it is owned. I can make the choice to come or go. I think if we just take a deep breath and get back to forum business things will improve while still pointing out and working through the bugs.
continuing to throw fits just breeds discontent. And as I ssuggested, there is no lack of thatoutside of the forum.

 

[pitsen3]

For me, I see no real impediment in the new software. This comes from a infrequent contributor. However I browse here every day. I guess I am fairly compliant and really don't have any skin in the game except I have learned so much in the last fourteen years.

 

[Hassles]

Frustrations manifest themselves in a myriad of ways either when your trying to perfect your tone or trying to acclimatise to the new SOTW look and feel. Some of us are having a really bad experience while others are not. Advice given is not always successful or applicable and its difficult to know how to assist those who are struggling. SOTW is US and I would hate to think we may lose some of our members. Perhaps those who are struggling the most may like to take a break in hope things may change for the better during their absence. Like you mr Phil-Tone - I don't do frustrations well so I empathise with many here who are struggling.

 

[lesacks]

I'm quite change tolerant and can see the positives in the new software etc.

But the admin (VS admin, not the volunteer crew) drew the line with this post.

I am going to need the following info to get these reported and blocked. Next time it happens can you report the following and I will report them up the chain.

• Description of the issue, including frequency
• Screenshot of the offending creative (containing the time and date, if possible)
  ...

 

[AddictedToSax]

Why? How can they fix an issue if they don’t what it is or when it happened? Did I miss something. I read the quoted post three times and still don’t see what is wrong with it.

 

[Sacks Of Phones]

Don't forget to tip your favorite moderators!

Tip Jar!

Which way do we tip them: left, right, back, forward?

 

[lesacks]

Why? How can they fix an issue if they don't what it is or when it happened? Did I miss something. I read the quoted post three times and still don't see what is wrong with it.

Because it's a standard dev/ops brush-off. It signals that the site is not run by devotees but by an account manager with a timesheet with hours for SOTW and many other assets and somewhere to submit tickets to dev teams etc. All focused on eyeballs per add display.

Which is fine. That's how things are, most places. But that is the big change. Not the software.

 

[AddictedToSax]

Ok. Not being in the IT biz I didn’t see that. Reading it literally it seems like he wanted to know what was happening, how often and when. It seemed pretty innocuous to me.

 

[datsaxman]

They are asking for a laundry list of info. Including things the average member does not know.
It is a simple way to cut down on requests for work. Or cut down on actual work.
"Sorry, but this work request is not formatted correctly. We cannot do this work until the paperwork is correct".
I am NOT saying that this is what VS is doing. Just saying how the generic runaround works.

 

[HeavyWeather77]

One billion percent agreed, Phil. This website has been a very valuable, but FREE, resource for many years, and it will continue to be. The admins' donated time and energy is very much appreciated. I like many things about the new layout, I miss many aspects of the old, but regardless, the only constant in the universe is change, and it's on us to roll with it with as much grace as possible.

 

[Meyer65]

For me, I see no real impediment in the new software. This comes from a infrequent contributor. However I browse here every day. I guess I am fairly compliant and really don't have any skin in the game except I have learned so much in the last fourteen years.

I echo this sentiment. The only thing that really is bugging me is not being able to view old pictures...but overall I actually kind of like the new layout and look forward to the kinks being hammered out.

 

[!46puosxB]

I voiced my opinions and suggestions too. Nothing changed and I simply reminded myself that thisnforum is not a democracy,,,it is owned. I can make the choice to come or go. I think if we just take a deep breath and get back to forum business things will improve while still pointing out and working through the bugs.
continuing to throw fits just breeds discontent. And as I ssuggested, there is no lack of thatoutside of the forum.

Even in a DEMOCRACY , all INDIVIDUAL requests can't be addressed , and even when addressed , they can't always be personally solved .

 

[randulo]

As an infrequent visitor, I didn't even know it changed, other than the colors! This said, if you've ever had a singer ask you to change keys in the middle of a tune, then you're ready for changes!

 

[turf3]

I don't think anyone whose posts I've seen has mistaken VSAdmin (they of the traditional IT brush-off and updates that are less functional than what they replaced) for the site moderators (volunteers who are doing the best they can, and who don't have any authority over the computer aspects of the site), or vice versa.

The moderators are doing a fine job. VSadmin I won't comment on at this time.

 

[dexdex]

...this forum is not a democracy,,,it is owned...

A frequently made mistake. This is the 3rd forum in pretty short time where I make the same experience. You spend (=give) quite some of your time to contribute. You also take and learn a lot, which is a fair deal.
You live with some commercial stuff, banners, but also sales ads which are supposed to pay for "the rent" (hosting, etc...). You believe.
And suddenly 1 guy decides to "sell" the whole operation. Including all our "hours spent".
En français there is a name for that.
I still believe that I'm a rather patient and peaceful individual. So I won't go into further detail how I feel about the whole change.
I already mentioned in another thread how I consider commercial ads within a discussion. Even Facebook is more respectful.
So now we are supposed to take care about whom ?
Maybe even apologize ?

 

[datsaxman]

What dexdex said. In American English there are names for that as well.