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As some of you may recall, months ago i posted about my quandary as to whether I should play "gigs" for free or what should be my price. I am slowly progressing from an amateur and jammer to a pro doing gigs.

I have been attending a lot of blues jams, more blues than jazz jams. I like blues, it is good to know, it is simpler than jazz, so this is what i have been doing.

This has lead me to connect with various amateur and pro blues musicians.

In Los Angeles, on bar/nightclub/party type gigs for blues or blues/rock, the bands i hang out with dont seem to make much more than $150 to $200 total a night. These are all non union gigs. Most of the people i am playing with are non union members.

The bands have lead guitar, bass, drums, and vocals/harmonica. Sometimes there is a sax player, or trumpet, but they are add-ons and not central to the core band, generally. So if the gigs dont pay that much, they dont pay a horn player. Some of these musicians dont have day jobs so if they have to divide the $200 up by 5 instead of 4 it will hurt them.

At the same time, they like having horn players there. They may want to promote the development of horn players like me. There are some very experienced pro horn players who may sit in at some of these gigs, maybe has part of a host band at a blues jam, without
pay because there is no money to pay them and they want to stay in good contact with the band leaders for other higher paying gigs (like occasional corporate events), and make contacts for other gigs, etc. The audience and any musicians in the audience may not know the horn player is unpaid. So the horn player may sit in or be part of the band even if he/she is unpaid and the other musicians are paid.

Even if they were paid, I am talking about maybe $40 a night plus tips.

This is the low level pro blues situation for horn players in LA, as far as I have seen.

A lot of the pro jazz players, or wedding type band members, or pro session players, dont want to have anything to do with this scene, so they dont participate. It may be lack of money for them, or they may have a lack of interest in playing blues. They may refuse to play unless they get their minimum pay, and the gig may not pay enough for them or may not interest them.

But I have an interest in these blues gigs. I am just starting out and i like them.

This is what happened to me recently.

A well respected blues guitarist who is the leader of a band invited me to play at a "gig". Call to me was on short notice. He also invited a trumpet player (of generally the same level of play as me, give or take.)
So we did this "gig". Neither horn player got any money because it was a private party of the guitarist, not a paid gig for anyone (but he paid the DJ $150 to play on breaks for dancing.)

I was honored to be invited to this "gig" to play with the guitarist, it is a relatively new contact for me and he is well respected.

Then he invites me to play at another "gig" the next week. This gig is at an established venue that pays.
He says he will call me to further discuss, but he gives me the time, date and place.

He never calls me to further discuss. I dont call him either. But the gig time comes around. I decide to go anyway because of the reasons i mentioned above.

So I get there and loe and behold there is another sax player setting up. I confront the guitarist, and say he invited me, but he already has another sax player setting up,does he need me to play too?

He says this:

"Oh, he WORKS with me. I thought you could you know sit in as a JAMMER and play a few tunes later in the evening."

This is upsetting for me to hear because i thought i was moving up in the world to play as a full fledged band member on the gig with this locally well respected blues guitarist, and hoped to get paid $40 approx plus share of tips.

Instead he wants me to sit around (where? at the bar looking depressed holding my sax, while the patrons ask me why i am not playing with the band?) Drinks are about $5, entrees start at $12 and i dont feel like sitting around for 1.5 hours waiting for a chance to play on 2-3 tunes, feeling upset the whole time because some other guy has the gig on sax and i am treated like a 2nd class musician.

The money issue is secondary, i feel i dont want to be sitting around embarrased and treated like a 2nd class musician, watching the other sax player on stage with "my" gig. Also i think it would make me look bad professionally if i accepted that role.

So i do the only think i think i can do, and walk out.

I dont have any responsibility to be there anyway, im not hired, im not getting paid, there is another sax player,and they dont even want me to play until 2nd or 3rd set for a few tunes anyway.

I have asked a few people what they would have done in my shoes.

The guitarist/leader might have felt he was doing me a favor inviting me to sit in. Maybe he didnt feel i was ready to do the full gig, although I did the full gig with him the week before at his private party and i got complements and got this new invite to do this other gig.

Maybe after he invited me, he decided to hire his usual sax player instead and never expected me to show up, since he never called me back.

I should have clarified my deal with him before going to the gig, but i didnt foresee he would have another sax player there instead of or in addition to me.

One person who I ask advice of told me that anytime anyone lets you sit in on their gig, it is a compliment.

I found myself more offended by this than complimented but maybe i have to supress my own ego and go with the flow.

If I had stayed to play, maybe i would have impressed people and gotten more gigs out of it. On the other hand maybe they will have more respect for me that i walked out and wouldnt accept the 2nd level invitation.

So if anyone has any opinions, lets hear them.

Some of you might say dont play any gigs that are less than union scale, or that are non union but that isnt the way the business works in Los Angeles with bar and nightclub blues gigs. They are all (as far as i have seen)non-union and they dont pay that well.

In response to a past question, Steve Goodson advised i should never play for free because it devalues and takes work away from other pro musicians. But sittign in and doing gigs for low pay, or even no pay is part of learning and advancing, i figure. It doenst help ME if i never get any gigs and never get a place to start doing gigs.

Other people tell me, play anytime, anywhere i am invited because each time will make me a better, more experienced player (for example i know a lot more about playing into a mic and with a PA and using monitors, or trying to play with no monitors on stage, and playing on gigs by ear with no practice on the tunes, etc., from all of the prior "gigs" i did. If I sat at home waiting for someone to call and offer me $100 a gig (some people say they wont take their horn out of the case for less than $100, obviously some players demand a lot more than that too), then i may never get that call and i wouldnt be prepared or experienced for that call either.
 

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JL--

There is another band i am or thought i was a full member of, or at least the regular adjunct horn player. I have done "gigs" with the other band. They play blues/rock.

There is a bad story with that band too.

After doing about 4 "gigs" with that band, where i didnt get full pay of the other band members, but they gave me ALL of the tip money (which was less than what one full band member would get) on one occasion, and divided it up with me and another jammer on another occasion---

Then there was a 5th "gig". On this gig they asked me to lay out for awhile after the 1st set (the management complained that they wanted the group to be more hard rock and also they wanted to get a harmonica player on stage who is soon to come into a great deal of money through some sort of settlement.) Please understand that at all times in the past the band said i was great and an important part of the band, so i wasnt playing badly (no worse than usual anyway.) But when the asked me to lay out indefinitely to let the harmonica guy play (in the past we had both played on stage before when both there) and i am sitting there and they dont call me back up beginning of next set, I walk out of that "gig" too but it was 1AM then anyway.

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You mention HONKY TONK, a leader of yet another band SUGGESTED to me that I learn that tune, so i can play it with them.

WATERMELON MAN, MERCY MERCY MERCY and also MR MAGIC are probably the 3 most popular tunes that are called when i am on stage with blues bands and they call non standard 12 bar blues tunes.

So your advice is right on the money with the choice of tunes.
 

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Keith, thanks for your advice.
Yes i do have a day job but i also have professional aspirations on sax.

There is yet another band i have played with that has a female vocalist lead. I enjoyed playing with them. They had a sax player who is no longer doings gigs with them. He is a great, experienced, older, blues player, so i have to assume it is a money issue with him.

I did one gig with that band, as an invited sit in. They said I played well, and i am invited to sit in with them anytime i want. But they havent offered to pay me, so i havent been sitting in at their gigs.

They arent using a sax player, i went to one of their gigs recently that was local to me, to check them out and say hello again. Again, they told me, feel free to sit in any time i want, that I played well at that other gig.

I didnt say i dont want to play on their gigs unless they pay me, I didnt want to be that direct. If they are doing low level gigs for around $200 (I am guessing) and already have 2 guitars, bass, drums, and lead vocals, and no sax, i figure there is a money reason they dont use a paid sax player on these gigs.

I may sit in with bands like this erratically, as it suits me, but i am not going to be there regularly for no money.

If I sit in erratically and they ask why dont i come more often, then maybe i will explain because it doesnt pay and I am looking for paid gigs.

Getting a teacher for purpose of making gig connections through the teacher has occurred to me, that would be a good reason to take lessons from multiple teachers, also i could learn things too. The teachers have an interest in teaching me too, they want the money, some of them. I have had a couple of musicians after me to offer to be my teacher, so i can pay them money.
 

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Thanks for all the posts.

Some of these issues may have to do with geographic locations. In Los Angeles there may be more of a supply than demand for musicians compared to other areas, so the going rate for a low level nightclub blues/rock band gig may be $200 rather than $400+. This means there is a trickle down effect on the horn players, that are 5th men at gigs.

Obviously there are lots of sax players making a lot of money, but maybe not in these venues on these gigs, in this geographic area.

I know one player, he says he wont do a gig for less than $100, so that eliminates all these bar gigs. He may not get much work at all, he has a day job and may not care. But maybe he gets some higher paying work (ie more major shows/concerts because he is thought of better, and maybe is a better player too.)

I have to think that the bands that let me sit in on their gigs, repeatedly, have to think I play at least OK otherwise they wouldnt jeopardize their own gigs to let me play there. I either have to either add value to them or not be a negative, otherwise they wouldnt let me play on stage with them. So this is a good thing.

IF a band has a gig and cant really afford a horn player and invites me to play with them, it is possible that this can result in higher level gigs coming my way through the exposure. The band might get bigger gigs (ie maybe a blues festival gig rather than a nightclub gig) that pay better, or as is the case with some of the musicains in these bands, they may play gigs with differnet bands that pay better or may actually occasionally play with some famous musicains once in awhile, too.
 

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Another thing to consider is this--

If i sit in at various venues as a guest, and i am only there erratically on repeat gigs (like the band may be there every Sat night but i show up only ever 3 or 4 times), then when i am not there, the patrons might say "where is the sax player tonight?" "We want to see the sax player?"

Or if i sit in for a set and then leave, the patrons could say "why is that sax player taking off? we want him to play some more."

This might prove embarrasing to the band to explain that i only sit in occasonally because i am not a full fledged member of the band, so theoretically the result of this could be that they may offer to pay me to attend regularly.

Also again, it keeps me in practice and I learn, and also I make contacts, by doing these sit-ins.
 

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Im on a jazz chat line on computer. Some guy sees I am local to his city, and he says he owns a carnival and also plays guitar in a band that plays the carnival. He invites me to join the band. (He doesnt know me and hasnt heard me play, just knows i am in his city and plays sax.) I say I am available for paying gigs, if he has one, that would be fine. He says there arent that many opportunities for paying gigs with his band, but it is a great deal of fun, and he has great musicians in his band, and I should not miss this opportunity. I say i am a pro musician and i am looking for paying gigs. He says "there are many guys who are available for pay."

So all along he is chatting with me, inviting me to join the band, he already has a list of sax players who are available but will only work if he pays them.

The way i leave this with him is that if he has paid gigs, he can contact me further.

If he owns the carnival, i am sure the carnival gets paid, so this a profit making venture for him.
 

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Some recent similar experiences to my prior postings:


"Jam night" advertised on a sign outside a bar/lounge in West Los Angeles. I stop by. I participate for about 3-4 weeks, i am attending only late evening for a few tunes, beecacuse they arent paying me. The house band (who gets paid-- bass, drums, guitar-singer, keyboards) keeps saying "it is great to have you hear, be sure to come back, you play great."

The bartender/manager is always after me to buy drinks. I try to avoid her ebcause i dont want to have to be FORCED to buy drinks (not even one) if I can avoid it at jams. I figure i play well enough i am donating my time-- everyone in the house band gets PAID and i dont get PAID and i play pretty good, so i figure i add value. The least they can do is not FORCE me to buy drinks (not even one.)

Sometimes i bought a drink, sometimes i didnt, once when pushed by her, i bought one for me and one for soemone else, finally one night i said "NO I do not want a drink. I am donating my time playing. I am a professional player and i am not being paid, and there are other jams i can be at tonight, and I am donating my time sitting in with the band, they have asked me to attend. They like my playing." Also i explain that other places in town waive any cover charges and drink minimums if i go there to sit in at the jams.

Then later, the bartender/manager talks to the leader of the band and he comes back and tells me that it is not his decision, he has no control, but if the bartender/manager says that is her rule, that all jammers have to buy drinks, that is the rule.

So then tell the band leader there are 2 other jams i can go to on that night, and if i have to pay to play (buy a drink) at this one, and the other ones i do not, i will go to those. He says it is out of his hands. So i go explain to the bartender/ manager that i am leaving because she will not waive her requiired drink purchase rule for me. She says she has to pay the band so jammers have to pay to buy drinks. I say i am trying to earn a living as a pro musician and if i have to pay to play to sit in at jams, i cannot afford it. I say it is her loss. She says why. I say "because now you do not have a sax player."

Then i walk out and i will not go back because i have set an ultimatum -- if i play at that jam, i will not be FORCED to buy drinks, she called me at it, and now i will not and cannot go back to play at that place.

They have no audience for the jam bceause the jam is not listed in any local music or entertainment newpaper or magazine. I think it is not listed for 2 reasons (1) they dont want to PAY for a listing, (but some listings are free) and (2) the band doesnt want a lot of errant jammers there, they would rather get the money for the gig, have as few (bad) jammer as possible and work on their original material as a band.
So i was one of few attendees (aside from 5-6 patrons playing pool or just drinking or playing darts, who do not care if the music is there or not.
So the bartender/ manager istrying to get ME to pay to buy drink(s) so she can pay the house band.
I am just one of the few people who saw the sign on the outside of the place and decided to sit in and play at the jam.
 

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2 other recent experiences--

One guy who has a blues band who is a singer/ guitarist and gets paid to do gigs, low bad gigs in bars and restuarants, re-invites me to :sit in at any his gigs, anytime" (for no money. I did this once about a year ago, he never offered to pay me to play at any future gigs and i never went to sit in since i am not being paid. how many freebies will i give out?
He PAYS the band he plays with-- guitar-vocals, bass, drums and 2nd guitar or keyboard, but then he invites other people to sit in and flesh out the band for no money-- harmonica, guitar, sax, whoever he can get willing to do it who can play ok. so at gigs he has them lined up waiting to play. Everyone said i played good at the time i sat in, but nobody offered to pay me to play on any future gigs.

Antoher guy saw me at jams and said i can be in his house band at a blues club when he runs a jam on another night at another place.
The hosue band has guitar, bass, drums, keyboard, and maybe a 2nd guitar-singer. I can be the house band sax player, he says. But he doesnt offer to pay me. I do this once, showing up late and taking breaks when i feel like because i am not being paid.
I am assuming the rest of the band gets paid.
In Los Angeles, at blues jams, generally the money is so low, that sax players do not get paid to be in the house band, they areoptional extra band members who sit in for free. As I said before, i know a guy who has been in a house band in a blues band at a blues jam at a nightclubin LA and he has done it for years and he doesnt get paid, while all the other house band members get paid. he explained to me he does it to get contacts and also to appease the band leader who gives him other paid gigs.

I have not demanded to be paid by these people who invite me to sit in for free. What i have been doing is more coy-- I show up only occasionally, i try to be purposely erratic, and do not stay or play for the whole gig. So far this has not gotten me anywhere in terms of getting paid offers from these people.

If I do not go, sooner or later some other sax player shows up to take my place, to sit in for free. It seems that when i am there playing the other sax players do not generally try to sit in so much,beause it is my territory but if i am gone for 2 weeks straight it seems, suddenly other sax players pop up from nowhere to sit in for free. This is the way it seems to me. The sax players are all looking to make contacts to get paid gigs, so they sit in for free. There arent that many of these sax players doing this in town. Of course established pro plaeyrs do not play at jams or bar gigs so i dotn seem them at these places, but some good working sax players show up sometimse to play a couple of tunes but they dont make a pracftice of it.

The strugglign up and coming serious jazz sax player do not go to these blues jams, they feel it is beneath them since it is blues.
(Not that they have jazz gigs, they might get paid jazz gigs once or twice a month if they are good.)
 

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To further explain what goes on:

the club owners or the band leaders, if i show up at jams and sit in at their request, cannot and do not complan or ask me why i am not there later or earlier, or complain too much to me abotu my absences, if i attend erratically, because they all know the score too-- they are not willing or prepared (or maybe able) to pay me, so they have no right to complain about when i attend or how long i stay or when i take breaks, etc.

If i was being paid i woudl make sure to be there early and stay the whole gig and not take any unpermitted breaks.

One club owner is annoyed at me because i generally only come and sit in at the jam and play for free one night, but not the other jam night when it is crowded with customers (it is a zoo then) and not the nights when it is not a jam where she wants me to sit in with the house band (who get paid) for free on the weeknd nights. She cant complain because she doesnt offer to pay me.

It is like a dance, between me and the club owners and band leaders, which is not getting me anywhere. My erratic attendnce does keep me out there for contacts, but paid gigs in blues on sax in Los angeles are hard to get.

It doesnt seem like a good moeny making oppty for me as a sax player.

The working bands i know get paid so little, they do not want to hire a sax player in their paid gigs to spit the gig moeny another way.
If a good sax player wants to sit in for free, maybe that is ok.
 

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Most of the club owners do appreciate me being there. THey waive the cover charges, do not require me to buy drinks (unless i choose to) and sometimes give me free drinks. This one club owner did not.

After this one episode where we got into a direct confrontation about whether i should be required to buy a drink or not, i have decided at jams that if someone comes around to ask me to buy a drink, i will buy one drink, it is easier and gets less potentially negetaive attention on me.

I am not looking just to get drink and cover charges waived anyway, so the cost of the one drink is not critical, I am looking tomake contacts for paid gigs.
 

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If there is no sax player in the house band (if they cant afford to pay one) and I am specifically requested to attend repeatedly by the house band, and complimented, and when i am not there the patrons say "where is the sax player" then at some point i become more like a guest performer than just an amateur jammer, and the rules change (or should change?) where any cover charge is waived and the managemetn offers me free drinks rather than making me buy drinks like a regular patron.

In general, I believe ALL of the jammers are of value to the establishment, if they are attracting a lot of non-playing customers to the club (some jams attract a lot of non playign customers, some do not.)

There are all different rules i have seen for jammers at different clubs, some charge a cover of non playing patrons, but let jammers in for free;
some charge a cover charge to PLAy but not to sit and watch (I thought that was strange); some have a cover charge and a drink minimum but waive it for some (and not others) of the musicians.
 

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"Sketchy, brief attendance at jams seems unlikely to lead to gig offers from the group you join briefly for the night as they will not see you as a team player and reliable contributor"

This is a catch 22, if they do not pay me and offer no indication they will pay me, they cant expect me to have the same responsibilities as a house band member. Generally the whole thing is economic based, the bar bands cannot afford to cut a sax player in on the gig money.
The workign musicians in the bar bands cant afford to divide up the money another way.

But actually, i have gotten SOME gigs out of this sketchy attendance practice.

And there is another sax player i know whose sketchy attendance at jams leads to a lot of excitement and attention when he shows up, but he is a very advanced player. He clearly has a plan where he has decided if and when he attends jams it will be purposely erratic, he doesnt show up predictably and he doesnt stay for very long. Also even when he does gigs he doesnt hang around betwen sets available to the audience. He limits his public appearances. Last time he appeared at a jam i was at, he came in, he played a few tunes, he left, and the club owner was left saying "that is one bad young man on sax" (in a good way.)

Mos pros when they attend jam sessions (if you are local, for example Susie Hansen, who i saw at a couple of jams long ago, she plays jazz violin) are there for only a few tunes, and are in and out and they also try to get announced by the emcee as making a special guest appareance if possible. Then like the Tonight Show, they cant stick around because they have purported other professional engagements they must run to (maybe they do have them.)
 

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heres an email i got recently


Hi.
I will be holding auditions at ... between the hours of 6 and 8pm. Please reply ASAP with your availability during these hours so I can schedule a time for you. Musicians should bring their equipment (no amps needed) keyboards, bass guitars, jazz guitars, brass/wind instruments (if you play more than one please bring it). Drummers need only bring their brushes/sticks (drummers -playing with brushes is a prerequisite for the gig). Also please bring your Real Books and Fake Books as we will be playing from these, as well as from my charts. I will be auditioning for the recording session and also for future paying gigs that I have already booked. If you are not interested in donating your time for the recording, then please let me know, as I will be giving preference for paid gigs to those that assist with recording. Please get back to me as soon as you can so I can proceed.

***Also...if you are not a proficient jazz player, with credits and a lot of experience in this genre, then please have the courtesy to inform me so as not to waste my time, and especially to waste yours. Thank you very much for your interest in working with me. I look forward to meeting you all soon.
 

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here's my response:



Hi ...

As per my prior email, I am not able to donate my time for the recording, for free, as I play sax professionally. So with that in mind, I do not suppose that you need me at that audition. I dont know if you want me to go or if you just had me on the group email list from before.

If you want to talk more about this, I would be happy to talk to you about this...
 

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THis was the first email I got from the singer:


Hello and Happy New Year!

Wow, a lot has been happening since you inquired and my apologies for the late reply.
The tour of Asia has been put on hold due to unforeseen circumstances. Meantime, there is an immediate need for a recording project I am beginning to get underway. Those interested in participating in the recording project will have first look when touring begins in 2005. These recordings are a favor to a dear friend and I am donating my time, as would you, however, you will have recording credits, a copy of the recording, and special consideration for all booked gigs, since the recordings will be used for events, airplay, promotion, etc.

Criteria:
I know most of you are excellent, credited in the Jazz idiom, and proficient with improvisational melody. This project is straight ahead jazz standards, a bit on the bluesy side, with a lot of soul. If you can play like this, then the gig is yours. It is my intention to put together an ensemble of the best and brightest and thusly produce some brilliant new jazz and vocal sounds. We have amazing piano, bass, guitar, drums, and possibly flute & trombone players already in place. All that is needed is your exceptional melodic jazzy, bluesy, soulful self. There will be plenty of room to express your talent, after all, this is jazz.

Consider this a serious recording project seeking serious musicians. Full, professional, recording facilities, and state of the art equipment, is being made available over the next few weeks. Please reply and let me know that you are interested and what your schedule is like for ... One rehearsal will be included in the project and we will be tracking brass/wind in one day. Your talents shall only be needed 2 days and there is flexibility on day or evening sessions. You can see/hear more of what I do by clicking the photo/link below. ... Thank you very much for your consideration. I look forward to hearing from you.

All the best in 2005,

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This was my response to the first email from the singer, above.



Thank you for your email. I play sax professionally. As such, I cannot perform for free on commercial recordings.

If you would like to use my services then we would have to negotiate compensation for my services.

If you cannot use me on this project please keep me in mind for other recording sessions and also for paid gigs.

Thanks.
 

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here is another wonderful opportunity i got recently:




Alright,

it took them a while to get back to me but i finally booked a studio. The rehearsal will take place from 7-9pm on ..... We will be meeting at ....Studios in .... Please bring all your horns if you play multiple horns; patch chords for bass, and drums are required to bring a snare and throne(or all of your set if you wish). I also recommend bringing stands, if you have some, since they will not have any available for us. I will cover the rehearsal studio, so don't think i'm going to charge you last minute or something. That one is on me. The rehearsal studio is:


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I hope to see you all there. Thanks again.

Oh, and here is the original info the manager gave me on the venue:

...300-person capacity. It is a restaurant and
has a bar. ...Age: 21+
Food served till 10:00 PM. Prices are very reasonable.
...Restaurant is a rare space for this real estate: spacious, yet
cozy; divey, yet respectable; a good value, yet still quality. The walls are
covered with stills of movie stars, classic film posters, and photos from
Hollywood's golden age and with plenty of padded booths and tall bar stools, music, refreshments, and conversation are equally enjoyed. It's a rib joint between Tiffany's & Spago where the bar goes floor to ceiling and unshelled peanuts come in little metal buckets. Plus, there's a great bar special until 10pm - every 1$ spent on drinks is 1$ off the gourmet pizza - we recommend 3 "El-Syd"s and a large BBQ Chicken.


We schedule on the weekend nights 3 to 4 bands/artists per night, each
playing 45 minutes to a 1 hour set. Show starts 9:00 pm.

Our cover charge is $10 per person, with 50% going to the band for each
person they bring to their show after 8 first paid people (goes to pay the PA and the soundman) up to 50 people per band.

Above 50 people the band gets 50% of the door with no deduction of
first 8 people.
For your convenience here is a chart that showing how the deal works.

10 - 8 = 2 X $5.00 = $ 10.00
20 - 8 =12 X $5.00 = $ 60.00
30 - 8 =22 X $5.00 = $110.00
40 - 8 =32 X $5.00 = $160.00
50 - 8 =42 X $5.00 = $210.00
60 X $5.00 = $300.00
70 X $5.00 = $350.00
80 X $5.00 = $400.00
90 X $5.00 = $450.00
100 X $5.00 = $500.00


ok, see you wednesday night. email me for any questions, or contact me at my cell phone ...--and also, if you know any more trombonists, preferably bass bones, bring them too....
 

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Sitting around for 12 hours watching a well known singer and his musicains record in a studio could be very educational and lots of contacts to be made there.

But why woudl a well known singer not be willing to pay a session sax player? that is not nice. But maybe he felt he was doing you a favor inviting you to participate and you werent in the budget.

Sometimes people try to do favors for you and you may not realize it at the time.

Also leaving the guy stranded at the last minute with no sax player when you promised to do it isnt so good.
 
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