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From the Inside Out Book Review

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Posted a new review of an amazing book by Dr. Mark Watkins entitled "From the Inside Out". "From the Inside Out" is a revolutionary in-depth comprehensive 309 page resource book for the development of saxophone sound. When this book is described as "in-depth", Dr. Watkins is not joking! It is 309 pages of descriptions, scientific data, scientific and medical terms, a plethora of fluoroscopy and endoscopy photos (photos and scans of the inside of the mouth and vocal tract) as well as countless diagrams, charts, illustrations and a variety of quotes from saxophone players, teachers, doctors and scientists. (In fact, 92 subjects participated in a variety of vocal tract and saxophone tone production projects). It even has links to a number of videos showing the inside of the mouth and vocal tract while playing! An amazing resource that will you will find fascinating and illuminating as a saxophone player and/or teacher! Check out the full review:

https://www.neffmusic.com/blog/2020/01/from-the-inside-out-by-dr-mark-watkins-book-review/
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Is this book solely descriptive, or does it provide any teaching tools for helping students find the correct actions?
It is incredibly descriptive which I find very helpful. There is so much info in this book that it is overwhelming. It's sort of like sitting down and deciding you are going to read the Bible. It sounds like a good idea but then you start and realize what a project it is!

I'm coming at it as a teacher but also eternal student and I find it fascinating and enlightening. I'll have to look through it again in regard to teaching tools but what I love about it is that it gives you many examples of what different teachers might teach you and then shows you what is really going on behind the scenes. I think this might help the student in thinking about what is going on differently and perhaps open a door for them to success. That being said, it doesn't tell you what is happening an then give you five steps to achieve this same result. It's not a book like that....... I hope that answered your question. Steve
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I've had this book about two years. As a scientist and didactics-oriented novice player, I thought it would unlock the secrets of voicing and give me a shortcut to beautiful sound, articulation, clean bell tone attacks, overtones, altissimo...
My first skim I was very frustrated because Watkins includes quotes from so many writers who are clearly wrong or misleading with respect to actual laryngeal/oral configuration or acoustics or physics of airflow-I guess out of his desire to present all points of view and perhaps not insult respected teachers. I was simply confused.
Also, Watkins includes long quoted dialogs with various instrument acoustics experts on various questions he poses. These are fascinating, but in my opinion more appropriate for author's notes than a finished text.
I took a second look about a year later that was more focused and found some pearls, but mostly AFTER I had mastered a playing element through trial and error and muscle memory, guided by a teacher, and then confirmed I was on track by reviewing the text and videos.
This book to me is like a massive collection of library and lab research notes, loosely organized and assembled into categories. It is NOT a method book. Frankly, it could use a rigorous editing by an academic publisher.
What is required for learners to make faster progress with this fabulous resource is for a teacher skilled in pedagogy to mine it for information of practical utility for developing players and assemble that into a consistent curriculum of conclusive (and effective) recommendations, omitting the extraneous data and contradictions.
I have great hope that just such a volume will soon be published by Dr. Ben Britton who is currently revising his earlier two books Complete Approach to Sound and Complete Approach to Overtones with a thorough understanding of the information presented by Watkins as well as feedback from his students with whom he has explored various approaches to the material.
The great lesson from this book which possibly must be learned through player experience rather than reading is that VOICING is the key to consistent and beautiful sound: controlling the position of the larynx and apposition of the vocal folds, at least two segments of the tongue independently, the soft palate, the lower jaw... as well as auditing ("pre-hearing") the desired tone and timbre prior to producing the sound. Self-awareness of voicing configuration and discerning listening and tone feedback for self-criticism and correction are not automatic! They themselves must be learned.
Seasoned players and pros produce correct configurations autonomously and may have forgotten all the steps they took while developing, or may use personalized descriptive language to describe their maneuvers that is not helpful for others to replicate their success.
The challenge this book presents is whether trial-and-error is the only route to mastery, or a pedagogy can be developed from it that will speed progress toward beautiful, controlled sound that more efficiently yields the player's desired concept.
I'm not sure a pedagogy that is 100% effective will ever be developed just because what needs to be learned can only be learned by experience and trial and error. It's sort of like asking a high wire artist to give you a lesson in a classroom on how to tightrope walk from building to building. He can try to explain what he does and how he interprets it for a couple of hours but until you get on that rope and start trying over and over you will never know.

Most of the things great players do while playing were learned by playing and then they tripped upon something while playing that worked. I was never taught correctly about voicing and altissimo but learned these things from experimenting and getting to them in a very haphazard route that I have refined over the years. I think most players are like that.

I would not suggest this book for a beginner player at all. Beginner players whether young or old need simple explanations, descriptions and concrete steps to take. This is a huge book filled with so much information that it is overwhelming.

I do think it is an incredible book for those who are teachers or desire to be teachers. It can be a great book for players but honestly, I have met a lot of players that don't teach that could care less about all the minutiae about how things work. They get a glazed look over their eyes and really don't care. What matters to them is the end result which they can already do. That's why, when later, a lot of these guys start teaching saxophone stuff, you get a lot of the vague explanations and many times wrong explanations of what is going on inside the body that are based off of what we perceive is going on. This book is fascinating to me because it is the first that I have seen that goes to the depths of trying to explain what is going on with actual data, video and photos as well.
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I've had this book about two years. As a scientist and didactics-oriented novice player, I thought it would unlock the secrets of voicing and give me a shortcut to beautiful sound, articulation, clean bell tone attacks, overtones, altissimo...
My first skim I was very frustrated because Watkins includes quotes from so many writers who are clearly wrong or misleading with respect to actual laryngeal/oral configuration or acoustics or physics of airflow-I guess out of his desire to present all points of view and perhaps not insult respected teachers. I was simply confused.
Also, Watkins includes long quoted dialogs with various instrument acoustics experts on questions he poses. These are fascinating, but in my opinion more appropriate for author's notes than a finished text.
I took a second look about a year later that was more focused and found some pearls, but mostly AFTER I had mastered a playing element through trial and error and muscle memory, guided by a teacher, and then confirmed I was on track by reviewing the text and videos.
This book to me is like a massive collection of library and lab research notes, loosely organized and assembled into categories. It is NOT a method book. Frankly, it could use a rigorous editing by an academic publisher.
What is required for learners to make faster progress with this fabulous resource is for a teacher skilled in pedagogy to mine it for information of practical utility for developing players and assemble that into a consistent curriculum of conclusive (and effective) recommendations, omitting the extraneous data and contradictions.
I have great hope that just such a volume will soon be published by Dr. Ben Britton who is currently revising his earlier two books Complete Approach to Sound and Complete Approach to Overtones with a thorough understanding of the information presented by Watkins as well as feedback from his students with whom he has explored various approaches to the material.
The great lesson from this book which possibly must be learned through player experience rather than reading is that VOICING is the key to consistent and beautiful sound: controlling the position of the larynx and apposition of the vocal folds, at least two segments of the tongue independently, the soft palate, the lower jaw, labial muscles... as well as audiating ("pre-hearing") the desired pitch and timbre prior to producing the sound. Self-awareness of voicing configuration and discerned listening and tone feedback for accurate self-criticism and correction are not automatic! Those skills also must be learned.
Developed saxophone players sound like themselves because of their voicing and anatomy (as well as texture, articulation, phrasing, note choice…) just as singers also sound uniquely themselves. To some extent, a learner can imitate or emulate, but eventually a sound will evolve that is unique to oneself and partly constrained by one's anatomy and fine motor control.
Seasoned players and pros produce correct configurations autonomously and may have forgotten all the steps they took while developing, or may use personalized descriptive language to describe their maneuvers that is not helpful for others to replicate their success.
The challenge this book presents is whether trial-and-error is the only route to mastery, or a pedagogy of concepts and exercises can be developed from it that will speed progress toward beautiful, controlled sound that more efficiently yields the player's desired concept.
I was thinking of doing something similar to what you say Ben Britton is working on when I did my review of the book and still might. I felt a bit conflicted about taking out the gold nuggets from the Watkins book and posting them online for all to read and then no one buys the Watkins book. That's why I didn't move forward with that plan. It felt unethical to me especially after the incredible amount of work he put into that book. Although, the end goal I would think is too inform and teach teachers so I would think he would want the knowledge passed on. I should ask him about that......
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