[kreacher]

Hello,

I'm having some trouble while learning to play a german system oboe, as the fingering isn't the same has in the boehm oboes. I can do the heavy lifting and search for the correct fingerings with a tuner and a lot of patience, but why re-invent the wheel?

Hope that someone here has a fingering chart for these instruments, I couldn't find online. It has the thumb plateau key, L2/3 ring and R1/3 ring keys. I'm really new to the oboe, so I don't know much.

 

[hakukani]

I'm trying to understand here, because Boehm didn't design an oboe. Are you talking about the Sellner or Wiener (Viennese) oboe?

Or do you have a regular oboe that is not full conservatory.

Here's a link to tell the difference:

https://www.yamaha.com/en/musical_instrument_guide/oboe/selection/selection002.html

If you do have a Wiener oboe, the fingerings are pretty close to a soprano recorder.

 

[kreacher]

Sorry, I was thinking of conservatory and associated with Boehm. Nevertheless, I was saying it isn't that common system, and I think it's a german system, Wiener or something else, like a triebert system?
It's a Cabart oboe, I attach photos of it for better judgement.

 

[Alain Gen]

Triébert and Cabart were french...

 

[kreacher]

Triébert and Cabart were french...

"or something else, like a triebert system?" I'm really explicit, german system OR something else.

 

[reeddoubler]

It looks like a British (thumb plate) Boehm system with open ring keys, instead of the more common and contemporary plateau keys. Get a british thumb plate fingering chart and you should be ok.

 

[hakukani]

Definitely not a Wiener. Wiener oboes have a uniquely shaped bell and a bulb at the top. It won't take a regular oboe reed.

THe first oboe I used was a school instrument that did have a ring for the rh ring finger, but the fingerings were conservatory system.

That's a thumbplate, as reeddoubler pointed out. I did not know, however, that there was a boehm system oboe, but it's an even stranger critter.

https://www.virtuosityboston.com/caracassone-boehme-system-oboe-ca-1890-low-b.html

Here's an article that shows the difference between thumbplate and conservatory.

https://www.jpmusicalinstruments.com/news/conservatoire-thumbplate-or-dual-oboes-explained

 

[hakukani]

...and last but not least, the difference in fingering:

"The two notes that are different from that chart (as it's for conservatiore system only) are Bb on middle line and the C above it, and the high Bb and C:

Bb: xxo|ooo Left thumb OFF thumbplate
C: xoo|ooo Left thumb OFF thumbplate

Bb and C in the upper register is the same, but open the 2nd 8ve key with the middle joint of your left index finger.

But you do need to keep your left thumb on the thumbplate for all other notes."

http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=18&i=23982&t=23982

 

[kreacher]

Thank you, I searched for british thumb plate and found a chart in here. It works pretty well.

http://test.woodwind.org/oboe/BBoard/read.html?f=10&i=28563&t=28563&v=f

 

[reeddoubler]

Now you just need to find a good source for reeds, try finding a good local oboist and buy some from him or her, commercially available reeds are generally awful and will make it much harder to learn. Ideally study with a good oboist and save yourself a lot of grief ( just the fact you thought you had a German or Viennese instrument makes me think you need to find a teacher).

 

[Benny]

For any info on oboe brand/system/key specifics, it’s always worth contacting Peter Hurd, he probably knows more than anyone.

 

[kreacher]

Now you just need to find a good source for reeds, try finding a good local oboist and buy some from him or her, commercially available reeds are generally awful and will make it much harder to learn. Ideally study with a good oboist and save yourself a lot of grief ( just the fact you thought you had a German or Viennese instrument makes me think you need to find a teacher).

I actually bought the reeds from an oboist that turned to teaching, repairing and manufacturing reeds for oboe. I think they are good reeds and my repair tech was the one that pointed me to him. Unfortunately, it was also my tech that said it was a german system instrument... go figure.
I've been practicing for 2 days and am able to get notes from the lowest note to C 2 octaves higher. I play in a sort of concert band (filarmónica) and I think I'll pester the oboe girl (vice president of the band) to give me some pointers.

 

[kreacher]

For any info on oboe brand/system/key specifics, it's always worth contacting Peter Hurd, he probably knows more than anyone.

Thanks, for now I think I'm good, but will keep that in mind if any problem will arise.