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Please elaborate! What do you see that tells you it's a fake? The only thing I can see is maybe the pants guard on the back of the horn.
 

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Pretty sure he is correct. The front F would be a pearl. There would be no engraving on the back of the body. I don't believe the Selmer finish is that color.
 

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I looked up a pic of a real reference alto and you're totally right! Also the low C key and high F# keys are completely wrong! The bells keys should have black felts, not red. The low C, Eb mechanism should only be one rod, not two.
 

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I'll just say the differences I can see from mine, whether or not you can buy them that way I have no idea.

The front F on mine is a pearl, the low C and Eb are a different shape, the right side key E is a different shape, the alternate F sharp is a round pearl not a bar, the pants guard does look different but I'm not quite as sure about that. I would definitely lean toward a fake
 

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But it is prestine!:bluewink:
 

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I saw that coming... doesn't surprise me, it was about time.

Funny thing is it might sound better than the real one... :)
 

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I'm going to have fun with this...

Let's see how many things people can point out. And yes, it's as real as craft singles "cheese". This is totally a Chinese/Taiwanese ISO (instrument shaped object) that has been fraudulently branded as a Selmer Reference. Anybody that pays attention to the smallest of details will know in seconds that this horn isn't right.
 

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WOW.
That´s amazing, cannot believe the seller believes what he sells. A photo of the serial numnber/patents (hardly visible - but it looks jsut like one line of numbers) would immediately clarify. It´s obviously not a Selmer - here the model intented by KESSLER:
http://www.kesslermusic.com/SelmerParis/html/saxes/reference/54altoVintage.htm

The factory looks like the guys that manufature MAURIAT: (click on the foto for a close up)
http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=...ge=2&ndsp=29&ved=1t:429,r:27,s:27&tx=55&ty=53

No doubt - this would be a good price for a Mauriat as well but it is somewhat disturbing....
Thanks for pointing this out to prevent further irritation. Thanks for letting us know the story behind this!
 

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I'm going to have fun with this...

Let's see how many things people can point out. And yes, it's as real as craft singles "cheese". This is totally a Chinese/Taiwanese ISO (instrument shaped object) that has been fraudulently branded as a Selmer Reference. Anybody that pays attention to the smallest of details will know in seconds that this horn isn't right.
Almost too easy for a photohunt game. And I like your definition of ISO a lot. :mrgreen::salute:

I also think the seller didn't ever suspect it might be fake.
I have been a professional Saxophonist and collector for thirty years.......It's hard to believe I'm saying this, "but I actually like the 54's better than my Mark VI's". Because the new key placement really is better. ....
?! I thought one of the key feature of Ref 54 is that they brought back the key placement of Mark VI....?:scratch:
 

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