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I'm planning to replace my rovner Mark III ligature.
I'm considering between the eddie daniels rovner and the vandoren leather ligature.

I've tried the eddie daniels but not the vandoren leather ligature.

I was wondering if anybody here have tried both and would like reviews on them.

Thanks :)
 

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I have an assortment of clarinet ligatures, including the EDII, EVO, and stock Rovner's. Among the specialty ligs (that would be any other than standard two-screw/two-band metal ligs), I find little, if any, differences.

The only ligature that makes any difference to me, when compared to the Rovners of assorted designs, is the aforementioned stock two-screw/two-band ligature. Stock metal ligs, whether on my clarinets or saxophones, are brighter than any other lig. The Rovners take the edge off my tone and darken the sound somewhat. DAVE
 

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give Bay ligatures a go, after playing one of these i find that any leather ligs dull the sound and the Bay gives makes each note more harmonically interesting.
it really does make a difference.
 

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Thanks alot for the info (=
The problem is that I can't try ligatures as there isn't a wind shop accessable to me.:cry: So I had to place my bets on getting a fairly good one based on reviews. I was looking for a ligature that would provide a fairly warm dark tone across the registers.

Has anybody tried the Vandoren Leather Lig?
 

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Klarinette,

It might be helpful to do a search on the Vandoren leather lig at the woodwind.org clarinet forum. I'm sure that you'll find something there.

I have not specifically tried the Vandoren leather lig. However, from what I've heard about it I'd think that it would be fairly similar to your Rovner MK III.

Another Vandoren ligature to consider trying is the Klassik string ligature. I am VERY IMPRESSED with it. I've posted comments about it on several threads on this forum. You can find them if you do a search.

The trick about a dark tone is making sure that it doesn't equal dampened. That's the problem I had with all of the Rovner ligatures I've tried. Dampened tone! From what I've heard about the Vandoren leather ligature it most likely has the same problem. On the other hand, the Vandoren Klassik string ligature lets the vibrant tonal qualities of your mouthpiece & reed set up to come out and project in a remarkable way. If you go to the Vandoren web site and read the descriptions of each of their ligatures you might get a sense of what I'm trying to describe regarding the Klassik string versus the leather ligature.

Another thought about a dark clarinet sound.... I, too, love a dark, warm clarinet sound. Earlier this year I tried a Kaspar-style mouthpiece -- a Walter Grabner K14 -- and was completely blown away by it. Kaspar mouthpieces are highly regarded in classical clarinet circles for having a dark, warm sound that "rings" and has wonderful projection. This is due to particular aspects of the mouthpiece design. I found with the Grabner K14 that it gives me the dark clarinet sound of my dreams and also projects so well that I can use it for all of my jazz playing. The tonal "ring" of a Kaspar style mouthpiece is one reason for it's level of projection.

Normally I do not make mouthpiece suggestions when a forum member is asking about ligatures. However, from the sense that I get from your message I cannot help but think that if you tried a Kaspar-style mouthpiece made by Walter Grabner, Greg Smith, or Clark Fobes you would be able to have a dark, warm sound that far exceeds your expectations...much more than what you'd be able to get by simply using a different ligature.

Anyway, that's my take on it. Good luck!

PS, A final thought.... Another way to help to get a darker clarinet sound is to use a thick cut (Morre-style) reed rather than what's become a typical kind of clarinet reed. A thick cut reed has more "wood" in the heart. In my experience, this helps to give one a darker sound with a stronger tonal core. In this respect, Gonzales F.O.F. reeds may be worth a try. The Vandoren V12 is also a thicker cut reed. However, when I tried both the FOF and V12 I preferred the Gonzales FOF. (The Quebec version of the Legere reed that I use is a thick cut and according to Guy Legere is based on the old Morre reed.)

Roger
 

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Hi Roger Aldridge,

First, I'd like to thank you for the really detailed information and post. Much appreciated (=

If the Vandoren Ligature is similar to the mark III, I'd probably not buy it then.
As for the Vandoren Klassik, I've read reviews and it seems that many are pleased with the way the ligature sounds. So I'll open my options to getting that ligature too. I was wondering whether the tightness loosens after some time with the klassik. Naturally, its bound loosen to some way or other, but I don't know if my theory is right.

As for the mouthpiece, I'm using a Vandoren M30 for a warmer tone instead of the Grabners or Kaspers because for one thing, their over my budget, though I wish I could have one. I'm quite pleased with how the M30 sounds for now. I'm planning to get a ringless backun barrell too by the end of this year, hopefully I'd help my setup. (I got to save for it as I'm only 17 and still schooling) I'm using a leblanc rapsodie at the moment, not a fantastic clarinet, but I'm coping well with it.

Anyway, thanks for all the help Roger (=
 

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The Luyben ligature is well worth a try. They're about $6, designed to let the reed vibrate freely. Probably the best buy in clarinet equipment.
 

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I have a Luyben and they are nice lig - mine is very old though - probably from 1980. It has 4 "circles" that support the reed. Just like any lig, if you over tighten them you loose some of that vibrating capability - one thing that the Vandoren Klassik is hard to do.

I've been looking at the Vandy leather lig as an option, and more specifically using the metal plate instead of the 2 leather options it has. The leather i believe (as Roger attested) deadens the sound a bit. Which is what I don't like about my Rovners. I like the Klassik but i play test and reface soooo many mpcs that i want something quick and easy to put on and take off.

The Vandoren Masters comes to mind as a very nice lig, if not overly tightened and fairly cheap on ebay. The Vandy Optimum is also nice though I actually like the Masters better.

I've tried many mpcs including the Grabners that Roger mentioned. I actually prefer my 1930s Selmer HS*, a 1930s Buffet Evettine and a few other mpcs.
 

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Klarinette,

Just got back from vacation and found your question.

Happily, I have not noticed a loosening with my Klassik ligs. However, just in case the string does loosen over time I have a Klassik lig for each of my horns in reserve. Haven't needed them yet. I'm very impressed with how well Klassik ligs are made.

The Vandoren Masters is, indeed, a fine ligature. I'm still using one on bass clarinet. However, when I did a side-by-side comparison between the Masters and Klassik on clarinet and tenor the Klassik was most definitely my favorite.

Walter Grabner, Greg Smith, and Richard Hawkins clarinet mouthpieces can often be found on ebay going for pretty resonable prices. The trick is to learn about the mouthpieces -- each of the three mouthpiece makers have web sites and a lot has been written about their mouthpieces on the woodwind.org clarinet forum -- so you can have a good idea of what you're seeing in an ebay posting. Earlier this year I purchased a truly outstanding Greg Smith mouthpiece on ebay for around a hundred bucks. A new one is more than twice that amount. It can be helpful to have saved searches on ebay that send you an email alert when a new mouthpiece is posted. I have saved searches for Graber, Smith, Hawkins, and Morgan mouthpeces just to see what's out there.

Roger
 
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