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Sorry guys, I did a search before posting but didn't come up with anything.....
 

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Huh I got scammed by a guy on ebay, I told him the horn he sold me was junk as it was. His rebuttle was "I used to work with David Guardala" Hmmmmmm now I see what he was talking about.
 

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Now you will be able to get the New Dave Guardala handmade license plates. I saw someone say that on a website.
 

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Are they $400 to $4000 as well? Maybe hhe is faking this whole arrested thing, because he has given up on saxophones, and wants to sell in the license plate business! Yeah that is it, and he is collecting all the pofits. Or in German Jails, they will probably make him Make Beer or something....
 

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It is sad, but this is yet another example of how polarized our thinking is here in the US. Everything and everyone is either good or bad, black or white, right or wrong. In reality, as we all should remember, is a sea of grays that run the spectrum of the human experience. Almost no one is either all one or the other. Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence and still had 52 slaves at the time. Bird and Coltrane were pioneers and visionaries, but were also heroin junkies. None of us are all good or all bad. Dave may be a gifted mouthpiece maker, and may also be a bottom-feeding scam artist.

What is going to be more interesting to me, if we ever get to find out, is why he did what he did. I want to know what made him just up and drop off the grid only to resurface scamming fellow musicians out of money. What was he doing with the money? Did he have some sort of mental breakdown that caused him to do this? Or did he always have this latent streak of malicious greed lying dormant within the fiber of his being?
 

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So let's see: "malicious greed," good thing or bad thing? Is this a multiple choice test? Hmm.
 

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So Reedsplinter, what about my post did you not understand? No need to be adversarial...... What about it bothers you? Why the need to ridicule?
 

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saxophobe said:
So Reedsplinter, what about my post did you not understand? No need to be adversarial...... What about it bothers you? Why the need to ridicule?
Based on the internal logic of your post? Oh, err -- nothing at all.
 

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I agree that our society(ies) tends to be very quick to judge others and to label them as 'bad' while ignoring their 'virtues, I don't think that one can offset skill/talent against scamming people out of their hard-earned, which is a moral judgement and pretty much black-and-white, IMO.

If proven, I personally would say that these charges would 'label' RG as having done a 'bad thing', and, if done consistently over a long period, he'd be a 'bad person' (while allowing that he probably has some 'virtues')!

Who would disagree?

I get a feeling that's something like what reedsplinter was implying... I'm sure he'll say if I've read him incorrectly.

However, I also think that some of us are rather quick to make 'public' judgements on the behaviour of others ...... RG hasn't taken any of my money and his actions don't really touch me to any real degree, so I don't much care about him.

But I have bought several mouthpieces from 'remote' suppliers, so it's useful, IMO, to be reminded that there are some 'bad people' out there, and that we just need to be careful.
 

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I don't think that one can offset skill/talent against scamming people out of their hard-earned, which is a moral judgement and pretty much black-and-white, IMO.
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Agreed. If proven, this is about as black and white as it gets....

Even if Adolphe Sax himself had done this it wouldn't cloud my judgement.

Is what you do (in this case make fine mouthpieces) more important than what you are (possibly, in this case, a person using every bit of personal inside knowledge he has of friends and acquaintances to steal from them)?

This type of theft is in some ways far worse than breaking into someone's house and stealing their horns - that way one day the horns are there, the next day they're gone, so you replace them and get on with things. With these alleged scams there are weeks and months of uncertainty, frustration, worry and wasted time. Not to mention the bitterness at having had your trust betrayed.
 
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