[mardenbarros]

Good morning, would you pay two SA80 tenors in a Marck Vi? Is the sound so different?

 

[milandro]

I am not sure what you mean but if the question is if the sound of a Mark VI is twice as good as the one of a SA 80 (or II) , the answer is, probably not worth twice as much but, what does that mean?

If you like it more it is worth, to you, more. How much more is determined by the market.

For whatever reason some people want one more than they want the other and are prepared tp pay more, if you are , you are, and if you aren't, you aren't.

Some folks prefer to pay a lot more to own an old car that isn't as fast or comfortable as a new cheaper car same thing.

Value of anything is int eh eye of the person who covets one thing more than another.

Of course this has come up before (several times) nothing new under the sun

https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?122082-SA80-SII-tenor-vs-mark-VI

https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?16202-vintage-mark-vi-vs-super-action-80-series-II
https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?169213-Selmer-Super-Action-Serie-II-vs-Selmer-Mark-VI

 

[mardenbarros]

Sorry for expressing myself badly, I'm still learning the English language, I watched this comparative video and I didn't see many differences (maybe some hearing problem) I really appreciate your attention and willingness to respond.

 

[turf3]

If you're asking would I pay 2X for a Mark 6 than a SA80? The answer is no. I've played both, both are darn good instruments, but to me they play and sound about the same. (Heresy, I know, to those who are obsessed with the tyranny of small differences and argue ad infinitum about the differences between a high 5 digit and a low 6 digit SN Selmer. But they all seem pretty much the same to me.)

 

[milandro]

you are welcome, it is not that you have an hearing problem, but there may be nuances between the two, for example the two altos are clearly different , to me, in favor of the darker sound of the Mark VI, also the two tenors the Mark VI appears to be darker, does that mean it is better? If you like that kind of sound (I do) then it is better.

There will be other differences apparent to the player that we cannot appreciate in the video ( and also the poor acoustics of a computer ).

 

[Dr G]

Good morning, would you pay two SA80 tenors in a Marck Vi? Is the sound so different?

You may or may not find that the sound is different to you; the response of the horn and the feel of the key work may matter more. I suggest you play the horns before making a decision.

I have found other horns that I prefer more.

P.S., OBTW, and FWIW: I played Selmer tenors (Balanced Action, Serie III, and Ref 36) for 20+ years.

 

[mardenbarros]

I always dreamed of a tenor Marck VI, I played in two and without wanting to devalue I didn't see an important difference to buy, I will still try some more, thanks to everyone who answered me, good week to all.

 

[Dr G]

I always dreamed of a tenor Marck VI, I played in two and without wanting to devalue I didn't see an important difference to buy, I will still try some more, thanks to everyone who answered me, good week to all.

If the Serie II makes you happy, then stop chasing dreams (at twice the price), and enjoy the horn.

Put some of the money you save into a good mouthpiece, and don't forget to take the time and money to find good reeds.

 

[Morph1590]

I have both an SA80 series II and a Mark VI tenor, the VI cost almost double. They are pretty similar horns, so it's *very* hard to justify the price difference, it's pretty much down to preference.

Given that I bought both second hand, their resell value will be roughly what I paid for them, which somewhat takes the edge off the price difference...

To compare them:

The Mark VI is a touch darker
The SA80 is a little more focussed and the sound is a bit "purer" (less complex?)
For me the low end is easier on the SA80, the altissimo is easier on the VI
The feels of the keys is nicer on the SA80 but I prefer the placement of the palm keys on the VI
The SA80 has a more "positive" action...could just be the spring tension I suppose.
The VI is noticeably lighter
The VI has no high F#
The front E is stronger and more in tune than the SA80

Overall l the VI feels a touch more "flexible" (very subjective I know), is a bit darker, bigger sounding and it keeps its dark core when pushed, is lighter in weight, and has a more reliable altissimo (for me).
The SA80 feels smoother, has great clarity, projection and focus to the sound, but is brighter, and is more "laser beam" like when pushed. It's a heavier horn, with a better low end for me.

 

[mardenbarros]

My tenor is a SA80 I, number 316xxx, I decided to buy a K B neck with my old Otto Link, I will certainly be happy.

 

[mardenbarros]

I would like to ask the administrators to delete this post of mine, it is very badly done. I would appreciate it very much, I promise to pay more attention to my way of writing next.

 

[milandro]

I would like to ask the administrators to delete this post of mine, it is very badly done. I would appreciate it very much, I promise to pay more attention to my way of writing next.

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[Dr G]

My tenor is a SA80 I, number 316xxx, I decided to buy a K B neck with my old Otto Link, I will certainly be happy.

We look forward to hearing about the combination. I will be interested to learn which KB neck you select, and how you come to your conclusion.

And please don't worry about deleting this thread. Many will find it useful.

Regards,

George

 

[zorroperro]

I have played Mark VI's and I truly believe it is a fantastic horn. All of them have been marvelous instruments. But I prefer to play the Series II. I like it better. So, I will not pursue anything else. If..... you want to have a Mark VI because you want to have it, as simple as that, is a different issue. As far as a good horn can be, You will be safe with both models and, IMHO, with almost any Selmer Paris model.

 

[JL]

I would like to ask the administrators to delete this post of mine, it is very badly done. I would appreciate it very much, I promise to pay more attention to my way of writing next.

Hey *****nbarros, there was nothing wrong with your post. I think we all got the idea of what you were asking, but it's often useful and necessary to ask for clarification. Your English is actually quite good, given it's not your native language. And believe me, there are plenty of posts on here by those with English as their primary language which still need clarification. So no worries, stick around and keep posting!

As to the Mark VI vs other Selmers, or other horns, many players prefer something other than a VI. I've owned a VI tenor for close to 40 years and it has remained my favorite, probably because I'm so used to it and also I love it's feel and response. In some ways I prefer the tone on my '49 Buescher Aristocrat, but it doesn't have the 'feel' of the VI, for me. As Dr G pointed out, you can't hear the difference in feel on a YouTube recording. And for that matter, I find it difficult to hear a significant difference between horns on recordings. So listening to someone else's recording is no way to judge. You simply have to play a horn yourself and decide whether or not you're willing to pay the market price, whatever it might be.

 

[mardenbarros]

I would like to thank everyone for their patience and kindness in the answers, I really like to walk around here because of the great jazz culture that has in the USA, Brazilian greetings to all.

 

[zorroperro]

You will find many interesting conversations and knowledge around here. I have since many years and have always been kindly helped by all this members.

I would like to thank everyone for their patience and kindness in the answers, I really like to walk around here because of the great jazz culture that has in the USA, Brazilian greetings to all.

 

[Brenton]

Good morning, would you pay two SA80 tenors in a Marck Vi? Is the sound so different?

As far as value is concerned, the collectors market probably has more say these days than the listening market. The first question collectors want to know is: what is the serial number? Depending on the answer, one MarkVI Tenor with the "right" serial number (and condition) may well be worth more than two other Mark VI Tenors that have the "wrong" serial number (let alone two SA80 Tenors).
You have seen many responses that suggest there is nothing much to distinguish the sound of either of these models (regardless of serial number).
In short, we cannot answer your question definitively regarding value. As for sound/value - buy the cheapest Sax that you sound good on!
[Hint: Experiment with Reeds and Mouthpieces to make your perfect sound]. Cheers...

 

[AddictedToSax]

you are welcome, it is not that you have an hearing problem, but there may be nuances between the two, for example the two altos are clearly different , to me, in favor of the darker sound of the Mark VI, also the two tenors the Mark VI appears to be darker, does that mean it is better? If you like that kind of sound (I do) then it is better.

There will be other differences apparent to the player that we cannot appreciate in the video ( and also the poor acoustics of a computer ).

I believe YouTube compressed the sound file so it loses something. It's rare thatI can tell much difference in these comparisons even with earphones.