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The transaction Canadiain describes two posts above is probably something I wouldn't do no matter how noble the cause. I'm probably in the minority on that.
Not sure why. I happened to luck out at a time when I had been asked by a friend to try and find a good horn for a great kid on a budget It was an Antoine Courtois branded horn that I had noticed listed in a Florida music stores online inventory for at least two years before they decided to put it up on ebay where I picked up on it. I guess very few people were even aware that it was one of the many B&S medussa stencils out there. Ive never seen one on the market since, and this was eight years ago now... He's not a high school kid anymore...
 

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Here's what "sucks" about it. Family who could've never have afforded to buy a YAS62 for their daughter, still can't (lol). It's pretty clear how it "sucks".

But look, I get that this is how things work out there.

I just wish sometimes it didn't.

Oh well!
Buddy,
I feel your pain here. However, the world runs on different mores today than it did only a few decades ago. Not to say that people weren't greedy and self important back then, it just seems that now it's more prevalent now than it ever was. Now that I'm old, I have been deemed a curmudgeon, fair enough. My expectations that people should do the right thing is old school and naive. As long as things are not illegal or totally immoral it's OK. So, I guess the old adage applies here, keep your expectations low and you won't get disappointed...
 

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Buddy,
I feel your pain here. However, the world runs on different mores today than it did only a few decades ago. Not to say that people weren't greedy and self important back then, it just seems that now it's more prevalent now than it ever was. Now that I'm old, I have been deemed a curmudgeon, fair enough. My expectations that people should do the right thing is old school and naive. As long as things are not illegal or totally immoral it's OK. So, I guess the old adage applies here, keep your expectations low and you won't get disappointed...
Humanity seem to be behaving more and more like crabs in a bucket, climbing over each other and pulling each other down over and over in our rush to try to get to the top....
 

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Moving on, next.
If I see any deals I'll keep you in mind. Any guidelines?

Actually, back in the day when I was doing the same thing I started a thread looking for tips and got some great suggestions, there are some great people out there in sax world:)
 

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If I see any deals I'll keep you in mind. Any guidelines?

Actually, back in the day when I was doing the same thing I started a thread looking for tips and got some great suggestions, there are some great people out there in sax world:)
Thank you... she currently is playing an 80s Armstrong sax and her parents want to upgrade her. Their maximum budget is $1k but were hoping to get something more in the $700 range. Used is absolutely fine, but it should be something modern-ish and something that she could continue playing after high school as well.
 

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Buddy, you should include a B&S 2001, Medusa or one of their stencils in your search. These are outstanding horns with a build quality second to none. You should be able to locate a good one for around $1000, which is a steal. Total sleeper horn, made in Germany.

P.S. I don’t have one for sale!
 

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Buddy, you should include a B&S 2001, Medusa or one of their stencils in your search. These are outstanding horns with a build quality second to none. You should be able to locate a good one for around $1000, which is a steal. Total sleeper horn, made in Germany.

P.S. I don't have one for sale!
They're not that commonplace are they?
 

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Though I don't have any personal experience with it, I've heard lots of good things about the YAS-23. Obviously it will be cut from a similar vein as the 62, being that they're both Yamaha's. Meaning high quality for a student model and well-built. And though the 62 is a more professional model relative to the 23, I've heard numerous players who stand firmly by their 23's as everything they need. These are people who have been playing for years, too.

This is also a good choice if the family is looking to save as much money as possible, as you should easily be able to find one used in good quality for quite a bit less than the original 62 you saw. As long as it has no major problems, it should be everything a high school kid needs.


EDIT: I just remembered about the YAS-26... This is a very similar sax to the 23, basically just a modern redesign with a few small changes from what I've heard. It occupies the same spot on the Yamaha "roster" (student model), despite the fact that new ones can be surprisingly expensive. Since it's more recent, chances are you won't be able to get as good of a deal on it as a used 23, but I thought it's worth mentioning in case you do see one out there on the market. Good luck!
 

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They're not that commonplace are they?
Those of us that have them have no reason to sell them... but if I see one in your price range I'll message you.

At the time I picked up the "Courtois" B&S Medussa mentioned above I was looking at things like US Selmer 100/ 110 / 162 / Omegas, and Yamaha 61/62 as <$1000 good horns, and frankly having just done a quick search Im $$$hocked what those seem to change hands for now! I had good luck with upper level Antigua Winds horns as decent Selmer copies for not much money, but they arent the same level of quality as my German horns for sure.
 

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Gotta be a fake, stolen, or something very expensive to correct. Nobody sells a $2k-3k horn for $1k, lol. Not in this day and age, when 35 seconds of Google produces the statistical value, a market place, and a buyer. All executable from a phone, by a 12 year old. OF COURSE, flippers don't care if its authentic, stolen, flawed or not.
 

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Is this 62 a fake? Did the necks really have "62" stamped on them ???

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-YAS...088717&hash=item1ce0cd1bc0:g:pNwAAOSwj-5eDXFT
Based on the pictures alone, no, it appears to be authentic. I believe the current -62 model sax necks are stamped with 62.

However red flags include: low price with no reserve (auction ended at $1700) and selling with very low feedback (8). None of this necessarily means someone scamming or selling stolen property, but I definitely would have passed.
 

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Just an observation; The OP says "they will probably" go look at the horn. Posts on SOTW to wait and see what people say. Meanwhile another member actually takes action and makes a score. Then the OP and others are bothered that someone made a profit. Welcome to America! that's how it works here. That's how every person you buy a product or service from is making a living. Just because some parents don't want to spend more than 1k on a saxophone we should have to become socialists.

I can find pro altos for 1k all day long. If you see something that is a great deal you must act. You should have immediately tried to set up a meeting with the seller. Told them to consider it sold and then did your research on the way.

Congrats to the member who scored this. I hope you made a good profit. Flip on, I'm going to.
 

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I used to actively flip stuff as a "job" for a few years while I was in a career transition. Made a lot of money on some things. Often it felt kind of icky if that tells you anything. There is no way around the fact that it often involves taking advantage of people, even if it is their own fault.
Is it wrong? Each person has to decide that for him/herself.
 

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Just an observation; The OP says "they will probably" go look at the horn. Posts on SOTW to wait and see what people say. Meanwhile another member actually takes action and makes a score. Then the OP and others are bothered that someone made a profit. Welcome to America! that's how it works here. That's how every person you buy a product or service from is making a living. Just because some parents don't want to spend more than 1k on a saxophone we should have to become socialists.
lol it was "probably" because I was helping a friend buy an alto for her daughter. If it was ME, and I wanted the alto, I would've just gone and looked at it but I had to talk to another human being who was actually buying the saxophone. And no that's not what happened anyway because the other guy said "Oh I already set up to buy this one yesterday sorry". Whatever, it's over with, I was bitter because I hate seeing great deals like this go to someone who's just going to (literally) do NOTHING but list it on the same site for $1200 more than he paid for it. Meanwhile, a student whose parents don't have a lot of money and could NEVER afford a new 62 like this, ended up buying their kid a Jean Baptiste from Sam Ash.

I have nothing against you saxcop. Two years ago or so you sold me a YTS-23 for my neighbor's kid for $500 which was a very good deal and much appreciated.
 

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I used to actively flip stuff as a "job" for a few years while I was in a career transition. Made a lot of money on some things. Often it felt kind of icky if that tells you anything. There is no way around the fact that it often involves taking advantage of people, even if it is their own fault.
Is it wrong? Each person has to decide that for him/herself.
I bought a Super 20 tenor from a pawn shop for $700 five years ago. A series II full pearls etc. It needed a few hundred dollars of pad work to get it 100% but still. I kept it and have zero intention of selling it. How this pawn shop priced it this low is the question, and in this case, I had no issue buying from a BUSINESS at this low price because they obviously paid half that price to the poor soul who pawned it to them.
 

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I used to actively flip stuff as a "job" for a few years while I was in a career transition. Made a lot of money on some things. Often it felt kind of icky if that tells you anything. There is no way around the fact that it often involves taking advantage of people, even if it is their own fault.
Is it wrong? Each person has to decide that for him/herself.
Maybe you took advantage of people. Every business person in existence tries to buy at a lower price than they sell. Its called capitalism.
 
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