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The differences in the LH Pinkey tables, although the nail file is harder to slip off of after long playing when spit starts to come out... it is a double edged sword. It is also harder to slip onto the spatula keys...

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1920 New Wonder- Smooth G# .... 1926 NW II "Chu" - Nail file G#
 

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The RH Thumb hook

Bigger RH Thumb hook on the "Chu," increased comfort.

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1920 New Wonder ......................1926 NW II "Chu"
 

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The Palm Keys and Octave Button

Way more robust design on the palm keys... frees up soldered stops on the body because the stop is built onto the key... smoother body section on the "Chu", palm keys larger and higher up.

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1920 New Wonder....................1926 NW II "Chu"

Also: No more teardrop octave key, but a better styled key. Harder to slip off of when spit comes out, which happens after a long time of playing the New Wonder.
 

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The Pearls

Pearl touches are dished on the Chu, flat on the New Wonder. Hard to slip off on the Chu...

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1920 New Wonder...................1926 NW II "Chu"
 

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Overall, the "Chu" feels faster, free-er blowing, and more robust than the New Wonder. Tones are however, unique, I can't comment on which is better.
 

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Yes I would agree, the "Chu" feels more centered to me, lacking some of the expression I can get on my Wonder or New Wonder... but it is very fast I'll give it that. I'm gonna get a recording, same piece, and mpc. of my Wonder, NW, and NW II in immediate succession to help bring to light some of the subtle tonal differences, although for some reason the Chu feels much further apart than the Wonder and New Wonder do in its sound and feel. It is definitely a different beast....
 

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"Fast" - Have you disassembled, lubed, and rebuilt your other two horns? Do all the keys spin freely on the long rods?
 

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Only my 1919 Wonder was disassembled and overhauled with new key oil by me. The keys spun very freely on it when I assembled the stacks on the rods. My 1920 NW hasn't seen an overhaul since one that must have happened before I owned it, because it came to me in playable condition.
 

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Re: The Pearls

Pearl touches are dished on the Chu, flat on the New Wonder. Hard to slip off on the Chu...

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1920 New Wonder...................1926 NW II "Chu"
That is one of the main striking differences in feel between the New Wonder I
and later Conns (in my case a 10M) like the Chu. On the NW I it feels more like
your fingers are on top of the pearls making the horn feel more robust in a way.
Never had issues with fingers slipping off. Neither with the non-G# spatula.
 

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Ahh... for me sometimes when I have been playing constantly for more than an hour condensation/spit will start to make an appearance out of the palm key tone holes. Sometimes it gets me in the back making the octave key slippery. Sometimes it gets on the G# (!?!) and sometimes it goes right down the upper stack. If I don't have a moment to wipe off the sax in the middle of the song it can cause slipping issues, mostly on that small teardrop octave key. Its not a huge issue, but it definitely was addressed by Conn.
 

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I got one of each (New Wonder & Chu) a while back and also posted some comparisons. I've probably been playing both for about 6 months now. Both have new pads and a full overhaul then a final adjustment(s) by my local tech. '23 NW - '25 Chu. The new wonder is in better cosmetic shape. Its a relac in silver with the gold wash bell, but still gets a 9. Both are nice but I'll be posting the New Wonder here for sale once I get the motivation. Hit me up if any of you have an interest. Tone-wise they are very similar....

They both have a very vintage vibe while being equally "fast"....by that I mean they can be pushed harder than the modern Selmers or the Cannonballs I've played, giving them that edge that some are seeking in the "Why don't they sound like this anymore?" thread. They are loud, unruly, and a joy to play. If I don't get any bites, I may sell my Selmer SA80II instead and keep both the Conns, but I think I like the idea of having two completely different horns for recording purposes. Live, I'm doing 40's style "Jump" and classic R&B though and the Conn's are just a perfect fit. I can get smooth and silky from them too, but they seem to excel when played loose and wide open. The Selmer is naturally and noticeably more dark and sultry....probably perfect for jazz and especially smooth jazz, but I'm not doing much of that now and see myself doing even less of it in the future.
 

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@ Fader- Altos? C-Mels? Tenors? Might be useful to know what horns your New Wonders are!

I have been meaning to get a Bb Conn Tenor, Wonder, New Wonder, or "Chu" but preferably not the Chu for some time now. Not extremely soon, but relatively soon :bluewink:
 

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Ahh... for me sometimes when I have been playing constantly for more than an hour condensation/spit will start to make an appearance out of the palm key tone holes. Sometimes it gets me in the back making the octave key slippery. Sometimes it gets on the G# (!?!) and sometimes it goes right down the upper stack. If I don't have a moment to wipe off the sax in the middle of the song it can cause slipping issues, mostly on that small teardrop octave key. Its not a huge issue, but it definitely was addressed by Conn.
Maybe if you try to play some less-salivating tunes? :mrgreen: Just joking.

It is always handy to keep a nice white silk handkerchief at hand (like Satchmo's) to
wipe of superfluous moisture.
 

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I have gotten a little confused lately since I relooked at the comparison pics in this thread
and revisited the Saxpics website again regarding the Conn New Wonder section.
It never caught my eye but now I noticed that on Saxpics site the 'Chu' type series start at 143xxx.
My New Wonder tenor has a 144xxx serial. I never realised this but it has most of the 'Chu' features
shown in the pics in this thread except for the nail file G# key and the dished pearls.
I have always assumed it was a late NW I type and I still think it is. Could my horn possibly
be a sort of transitional between the NW I and the II Chu?

Do you have or know other examples of this?
 

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Conns can be a mismatch of all parts. I have a C melody with a 1923 serial number that is a Chu all the way. Probably had the body already stamped. I have seen some sopranos that are series one with high serial numbers too.
To add some more confusion to this thread, mix in the tranny altos (both types), 6M, 26M and 28M.
Right now I have a NW I, NW II, tranny and 6M. Which is best?....all of them, just different.
 

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Thanks. So mine is probably one of those mixed up ones too,
I never played a 'real' Chu or a Tranny (wish I could) and I bet there are
a lot of better sounding Conns out there but my NW just kills. I am fighting the
LH pinky's lately though. Never gave me any trouble but now they do. Maybe it's me (are my hands growing?)
I am thinking of attaching some sort of extension to them as they seem to be
getting too small and my pinky slips of or even gets stuck between them.
 

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I am lucky to have a model of each that seems to be "fully" that model and not some mismatch of transitioning parts... people always talk about the "transitional" Conn that was between the "Chu" and the M-Series, but in truth there was a transitional period for every model change. I have seen them come across on ebay... "wonder" series that have some of the "new wonder" features, "new wonders" with "wonder" or "NWII-Chu" features. It seemed that Conn did not put to waste any spare parts laying around and hence the unique mutant horns that can be found such as yours Jazznbluezzzz. I think that is actually pretty cool that you have a unique horn like that...

-Danny
 
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