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Hi, I need your help here fast!
There's an old man that has this Conn 20M USA, he doesn't know anything about horns, he got this horn by heritage, but he got some advice from a teacher, and he wants to sell it, he wants $400 for it, and he says it may some need reppadding.
I asked him for a serial number, so I can have some advice from you, the number is 3917XXX and I want to know if it is any good. He says it's an old horn, but the serial number seems to be too high to be "vintage".
I still didn't see it, but I can jump by and give it a try, and even maybe taking it to a technician, to know what's the deal.
Somehow, at a glance, when I first saw the ad, I had a gut feeling I may be falling on a bargain here, am I possibly right?
Let me know please!
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zivley said:
Hi, I need your help here fast!
There's an old man that has this Conn 20M USA, he doesn't know anything about horns, he got this horn by heritage, but he got some advice from a teacher, and he wants to sell it, he wants $400 for it, and he says it may some need reppadding.Ziv
I'll leave valuation to the experts here but you seem to make a point that he's 'an old man', that just because he's older with no knowledge of true value, then you can skank him on the price. If it is in point of fact worth far more than the $400, then you should pay him more the market value.
 

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Hey, listen, I didn't mean to point that because he's an old man I can take advantage, I only was pointing that he's an old man and that he's not planning to play it, and also he doesn't understand nothing about horns doesn't mean he's stupid, he did get advice from people that know more than him, and I'm helping him myself getting the info about how much it worths, and I will happily pay more, but I'm also not a phillantropic person and have limited budget, so what's the problem falling on a bargain? Let's say this horn worths $500 and he doesn't know it, he only wants $400, I'll happily offer him $450 and we'll be both happy, don't you think?
When I've bought a brand new taiwanese horn for 3 times the price they worth, I was the "sucker" and nobody told me about it then, so now I understand a litle bit more about horns and have found a possibly nice opportunity to get a good deal, so why not?
This horn needs some work, he told me that the horn is not in playing condition and needs to see a technician, so the value shouldn't be something like twice the $400 he wants, right? perhaps the horn doesn't worths even the $400 he wants, that's why I need advice here.
And don't you tell me that if you find a great MKVI that someone sells for $1000 because he doesn't know the value you won't buy it or you'll tell them they can get $4000 for it...
That's how it works, value isn't something absolute, for this old man, it's only a musical instrument, he didn't pay a dime for it, and every cent he gets it's a full profit for him.
 

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A 20m is a student model horn. They are not worth a whole lot. In fact I have mine at the foot of my bed. The older ones had gold lacquer all over, but they are still the equivalent of a Bundy student horn.
 

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I'm no expert but here are some tips. Search Google for "conn saxophone serial number list." Do that, you'll find the horn was made in 1989. If you're interested in US prices, go to eBay and search completed auctions for "Conn 20m" and look for ones in similar age and condition to the one you might buy. So far I see that they sell for $200 USD tops unless it's a really new, perfect instrument.
 

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And don't you tell me that if you find a great MKVI that someone sells for $1000 because he doesn't know the value you won't buy it or you'll tell them they can get $4000 for it...
I wouldn't buy it - I'd tell him it's worth far more to many people than $1000.
 

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If it is in point of fact worth far more than the $400, then you should pay him more the market value.
Just a thought, but value is in the eye of the beholder. Here is a question that has been debated for hundreds (thousands?) of years:
If you don't know what you have, do you really have it?
If a guy who has no idea what a Mark VI is and wants to unload it for $400, does one need to offer that fellow $4000-$6000? Is it the buyer's responsibilty to tell the seller what they're selling? Just a thought.
 

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If you don't know what you have, do you really have it?
If a guy who has no idea what a Mark VI is and wants to unload it for $400, does one need to offer that fellow $4000-$6000? Is it the buyer's responsibilty to tell the seller what they're selling? Just a thought.
I wouldn't offer it, as I couldn't afford it but honestly, if I knew of someone offering it, I would tell them 'don't let it go for such a small sum'. It's like the question if someone was clearing their attic and offered me their grandad's old sax for free and it turned out to be worth ££££££££ or $$$$$$ I would offer to sell it on their behalf. I wouldn't take it and run.

I was contacted about nine years ago and asked if I could sell the specialist LP collection of someone's son who had died in an accident and I said 'you know, I think this little lot will be worth a lot of money'. I catalogued the entire collection and I sold them at no charge for my services.
 

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I would tend to agree with you if you're trying to help someone out and you know that you won't be the buyer. I had a similar story with a fellow who owned a Mark VI and didn't know it's real value in the year 2000.

However, I must admit, that if it was ME who was considering the horn purchase, I would feel much less obligated to tell the seller what they had.
It might sound funny or hypocrytical, but I think there's a difference between helping somebody out as an uninterested party, and doing business with somebody. The seller of any object should do their homework and know what they're selling if they care enough about the sale.

But generally, I would agree with you.
 

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Well, I kinda find a lot of info on that sax, and even before I've seen its condition, I already know is not a good buy, and that this man is asking way too much for that horn, it's indeed a 1989 model, not a vintage as I was hoping, and I've heard about some consistency and intonation issues with those "modern" Conns, so, I will actually call the man and advice him to drop the price a bit if he wants to sell it, I won't buy it even if he drops it to $100, I can't use a bad horn, I need a long term playable one, and I'd even pay $1000 for a good used one, not only $400.
 
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