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I started this comparison in a German forum, and we had a lot of fun guessing and commenting, so I'll share it with this community.

Horn are a 2006 Inderbinen, a French 1956 Selmer Mark 6 (stripped) with a numbered 67xxx neck and a French 1949 Super (Balanced) Action. Mouthpieces are a Francois Louis sterling silver (around 0.130) with a Rigotti Gold 2, an Otto Link NY Double Ring 5* from the early 50s with a Woodstone 3.5 and the original lig and an Otto Link Slant Signature Tone Edge 8 with a RJS 2H and a Francois Ultimate.

Until last week, the DR 5* was my main piece, but after playing the Francois Louis exclusively for some days I felt it difficult to come back to a small tip opening because my head was still telling me provide a lot of air (which the DR does not need at all). Anyway, thanks for listening and commenting. Hope it's at least some fun for you....

I'll let you guess the horns, not the mouthieces. With the Francois Louis, you will find the name of the horn in the link, so if you want to guess, avoid looking at it for too long. The order of the horns was chosen at random, so Horn A with the DR will not be the same as Horn A with the Francois Louis.

Tune is Doxy. With the Slant (which was the last in the comparison), I just played the tune twice and added a similar chorus, so these ones are shorter.

Slant:

Horn A

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66272036/Horn Eins.mp3

Horn B

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66272036/Horn Zwei.mp3

Horn C

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66272036/Horn 3.mp3

Double Ring:

Horn A

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66272036/Horn A.mp3

Horn B

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66272036/Horn B.mp3

Horn C

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66272036/Horn C.mp3

Francois Louis

Horn A

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66272036/InderDoxy 28.11.16.mp3

Horn B

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66272036/Doxy SBA 26.11.16.mp3

Horn C

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66272036/Doxy FL 21.11.16.mp3
 

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Re: Comparison of tenors (Inderbinen, 1956 Mark 6, 1949 SBA) and three mouthpieces (Francois Louis, Link DR and Link Sla

I can't really comment on the comparison. Sadly my untrained ears don't pick up too much of a difference.
I am surprised that no one else is offering an opinion.
One thing, though, that is some serious hardware in your hands :)
Enjoy your playing
Tom.
 

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Re: Comparison of tenors (Inderbinen, 1956 Mark 6, 1949 SBA) and three mouthpieces (Francois Louis, Link DR and Link Sla

Thanks, Tom, and I guess you hit the nail. Its not your "untrained ears", it's rather the fact that the differences are obviously not striking enough to encourage a discussion. I had started a comparison in a German forum, and the discussion was richer there because brands like Selmer and Inderbinen polarize easily and are discussed more controversially.
Yes, the hardware is more than serious, and now and then I think it's time to let one of them go. But it's hard because they ARE and respond very individually. A pro player who plays Inderbinen explained to me he laid down his Mark 6 because the Inderbinen does not have any dead spots and does not need any compensation for certain tones by adjusting embouchure or air stream and volume.
 

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Re: Comparison of tenors (Inderbinen, 1956 Mark 6, 1949 SBA) and three mouthpieces (Francois Louis, Link DR and Link Sla

I'll take a stab at it.

First, great playing. Love the pleasing light-hearted lilt in your interpretation. All said and done, all the horns/combinations were delightful.

I did hear differences.

Of the three sets, I preferred Set 2 with the Link NY ever so slightly over Set 1 with the Francoise Lois. Another day, another song it could easily go the other way The Link Slant sounded less lively. Dry perhaps?

Set to set it was close among the three horns.

In set 1 I preferred horn/set up C. Horn A sounded the smoothest. Track B sounded jazziest. Track C sounded like a blend of A and B.
In set 2 I preferred horn/set up A. Horn B sounded the smoothest.
In set 3 it was very difficult to choose. They all sounded very similar. A and B sounded nearly identical and I preferred them to C.
 

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Re: Comparison of tenors (Inderbinen, 1956 Mark 6, 1949 SBA) and three mouthpieces (Francois Louis, Link DR and Link Sla

Thanks, bluto, for listening and commenting. These are the horns:

Set 1: A=Inderbinen , B= SBA, C= Mark 6

Set 2 and Set 3: A= Mark 6, B= Inderbinen, C= SBA

The Mark 6/ Double Ring NY 5* has been my favourite combination for a long time, and maybe the clip shows a familiarity the other combinations don't offer.
 

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Re: Comparison of tenors (Inderbinen, 1956 Mark 6, 1949 SBA) and three mouthpieces (Francois Louis, Link DR and Link Sla

Ah, thanks Henblower!

So, I picked the Mk. VI as my favorite in both Set 1 and 2 and characterized the Inderbinen as "smooth" in both Sets 1 and 2. And I favored the Mk. VI and Inderbinen over the SBA in three also.
 

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Re: Comparison of tenors (Inderbinen, 1956 Mark 6, 1949 SBA) and three mouthpieces (Francois Louis, Link DR and Link Sla

Is it too late to guess? :|
 

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Re: Comparison of tenors (Inderbinen, 1956 Mark 6, 1949 SBA) and three mouthpieces (Francois Louis, Link DR and Link Sla

Yes, as nobody guessed I guessed there was no need to guess. But if you still want to guess I guess you should avoid looking at post #5.

My "workhorse team" no doubt ist the Mark 6 with the NY Double Ring 5*. Another clip:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66272036/TOTM All The Things.mp3
 

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Re: Comparison of tenors (Inderbinen, 1956 Mark 6, 1949 SBA) and three mouthpieces (Francois Louis, Link DR and Link Sla

Yes, as nobody guessed I guessed there was no need to guess. But if you still want to guess I guess you should avoid looking at post #5.

My "workhorse team" no doubt ist the Mark 6 with the NY Double Ring 5*. Another clip:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66272036/TOTM All The Things.mp3
I was just being a bit facetious. Perhaps I used the wrong emoticon. I am doing the test as we speak and will report back my observations, if you wish. I can't remember what I read a few days ago, so the comparison may still be somewhat valid.

So here're my conclusions- for what they are worth. you obviously need to play what you prefer. Since I didn't look at the horn names, I will call them horn A,B, C. I will say that generally as you got into the improv part of each song your tone really resembles what you may have sounded like on the other versions. So I decided to base my opinions and observations on the first time through of the "head". So, generally, the Double ring sounds the darkest and fullest on all the horns over the other mouthpieces. I liked the slant best on Horns A and C- pretty close. I liked the Double Ring best on horn A and the Francois Louis on Horn B. To my ear they brought the most out of those horns. Generally I prefer the Double ring for the jazz standard tone. They all sound fine and I can enjoy each one equally if I had nothing to compare them with. You have some nice equipment. Enjoy it all!!:)

So, looking at the Horns in question, it appears I disliked the SBA more than the others. I thought the tone was weaker and thinner for this application. My favorite, based on the frequency of "best in show" in descending order would be 1. the Mark VI 2. Inderbinen and 3. SBA
 

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Re: Comparison of tenors (Inderbinen, 1956 Mark 6, 1949 SBA) and three mouthpieces (Francois Louis, Link DR and Link Sla

Thanks, Honeyboy, for your detailed and interesting evaluation.
 
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