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Q: how many of you have a companion mouthpiece just to play something different or to suit your moods on any given day? I know some have a piece for jazz, plus a classical piece and another for Rock, Pop, R&B etc. I ask this question because I am seeking something un Otto Link like as a companion to a Wanne Gaia 3 tenor piece. I am considering Dukoff or Guardala inspired pieces such as...

Drake Stubbie
Sakshama Shorty or Custom Z or Fatboy
Phil-Tone Mosiac
Vigilante Annihilator

Note: the recipient is predominantly a Jazz player who also dabbles in swing, R&B, and alternate music forms. The companion piece will be a gift and I will 'probably' have them do some research prior to my investment. Note also: metal pieces only need be suggested here.

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I would suppose that I do have this setup. I have my New Vintage Tone Master refaced by Matt Marantz as my primary piece. However, I also still have a Jody Jazz DV CHI 7 -and no intention to move on as I love it as well. It is tons louder than my primary piece and a decent amount brighter. I love both of these mouthpieces, even if the JJ DV CHI doesn't get played much anymore.

So I would recommend JodyJazz DV and DV CHI to add to your list. Also don't forget, Dukoffs are very attainable, as are certain Guardala pieces, so you could definitely acquire the original!
 

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Kind of a strange idea to give somebody else a mouthpiece because you think they should have it as an alternate. Some players cannot play different pieces on the same horn (his main sax) because they tend to adapt to them and lose their 'feel' for the previous one. This can become a disaster with a player losing his sound in the process. At the same time, such a player can easily play completely different mouthpieces on his other saxes, like a hard rubber link on soprano, a Guardala on alto and a Berg rubber on baritone, without any problems and with no effect on his tenor chops.
With mouthpiece choice being so intimately personal, its hard for me to imagine doing something like this.
 

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Kind of a strange idea to give somebody else a mouthpiece because you think they should have it as an alternate. Some players cannot play different pieces on the same horn (his main sax) because they tend to adapt to them and lose their 'feel' for the previous one. This can become a disaster with a player losing his sound in the process. At the same time, such a player can easily play completely different mouthpieces on his other saxes, like a hard rubber link on soprano, a Guardala on alto and a Berg rubber on baritone, without any problems and with no effect on his tenor chops.
With mouthpiece choice being so intimately personal, its hard for me to imagine doing something like this.
As a gift, I can see it being a worthwhile endeavor to get someone something new they may not have or they may have said they would like to try. I didn't consider it as saying - "I think you should have this style of mouthpiece as well, so take this one"
 

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My understanding is that pros who do classical and jazz have a mouthpiece for each. I personally use one piece for EVERYTHING and just change how I play to get different sounds. If I play along with a Getz record, I sound like Getz. If I play along with Sanborn, I sound like Sanborn. No equipment changes, just practice.

I also don't believe the material makes any difference whatsoever. I can make my hard rubber Morgan sound exactly like my metal Berg if I want. So I wouldn't discount hard rubber entirely.

Personally, I think you should find a flexible piece you like, then learn to change your sound with your embouchure and technique without changing mouthpieces. You'd be surprised how big a change you can get just by taking in more or less mouthpiece, using more or less lip area, subtone versus playing full. I've tried that Theo Wanne of yours and think you could do just about anything you want with it if you work at it, although it does take some effort to dial the brightness back.

The fact that technique changes are more effective than equipment changes dawned on me very early on, back in the late 70's when I was on my first big mouthpiece quest. I was after a Brecker sound at that time and ended up with a Berg. I ended up sounding exactly like him in terms of tone quality. Then my high school buddy who had that typical high school sound tried my Berg. Guess what, he sounded EXACTLY like he did on his Selmer C*. At that moment I realized 90% of your sound comes from how you play, not what you play. As time went on, I'd witness the same thing over and over with colleagues and students. I stuck with the same piece for decades, and my own sound changed as my tastes changed over time, without changing any equipment.

A player who hasn't mastered their own sound and learned flexibility is going to sound about the same regardless of the equipment. That's not to say there's no difference among mouthpieces. There are huge differences. But these differences only change the limits on a window of possibilities. For example a very bright piece in the hands of an experienced player can sound dark to extremely bright. A dark piece can sound extremely dark to moderately bright. I like to think of the natural characteristics as the midpoint of a range of possibilities.

Bottom line, if I got a Dukoff, or a Theo Wanne or a Jody Jazz, doesn't make much difference. I'll end up duplicating the sound in my head eventually, sounding the same on all of them. So when it comes to choosing a mouthpiece, I look for the limits on that window of possibilities and how easily I can get my ideal sound in any genre. I'd have to work super hard to sound like Getz on a really bright piece. But it would be easier on a middle of the road piece. So try to pick something that's naturally in the middle of all the sounds you want to make and learn how to make those sounds.

All of the above totally ruins your gift idea, but that's the reality of the situation.
 

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I know some will sound the same on any piece and some 'can' sound the same on any piece but if your primary player is a Link inspired piece wouldn't it be nice to simply pick-up a Dukoff and enjoy the different playing and tonal characters without having to conscientiously 'make the effort' to make it sound different.
 

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Im not sure that going from an extreme from a link to a high baffle piece would be a great choice. I like link style pieces...if someone gave me a guardala style piece Id sell it or leave it in a drawer. Im not sure a surprise gift is a good idea...perhaps work with the player. Its a really nice gesture and gift but it needs to fit.
 

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I’ve always had a few mpcs around (!), and I think this mainly started out of necessity when I started gigging after college. During college, I was really into playing my one mpc (Yanagisawa 9 metal), and I did indeed make it work for everything. In fact, mostly I was into getting as close to Joe Henderson’s kind of sound as I could. Needless to say, I didn’t know much about mpcs then and I would have been much better served finding something closer to that sound more easily. Anyhow, I spent a few years playing in a jump swing group and honking away and really got into playing Rpc’s at this time as I could play loud and full even without a monitor and not get fatigued. Sane for corporate gigs, etc. Since then, I’ve been doing a fair bit of theater work and I’ve found it helpful to tailor the mpc to whatever style of show I was playing. Of course, now just playing at home has completely changed things again, I am recording and enjoy playing on mpcs I probably wouldn’t like in a louder live setting. In any case, I still think it’s useful to have several things around but conceptually I find it really tough to switch. But I do remember the feeling of helplessness bring stuck on a gig with my set up feeling too dark or not being able to project on it and that’s enough to make me keep a louder,brighter mpc around even if I’m not playing it everyday....!
 

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Another Meyer-on-tenor guy!

Not many of us out there.

Interesting, though, that when I bought my 10M from Wichita Band many years ago, they paired it with a Meyer (I already had a Meyer, so now I"ve got two).
I've never understood the need to switch out mouthpieces based on the tune I'm playing. My sound is my sound and the mouthpiece is part of what helps me to achieve it. I do believe that some songs are better on alto or tenor or soprano, but I only use one mouthpiece for each of them.

Anyway, I play a Meyer 6M on tenor. I tried a Brilhart Ebolin a little while ago just to brighten up my sound a little but I can't get it to play in tune, so I'm sticking with my Meyer.
 

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I definitely use two mouthpieces on a regular basis.

I play 2-3 nights a week in a small 3pc jazz group that does atmosphere music for restaurants etc, mostly indoors: This calls for a quiet, smoky tone with lots of lower breathy sub tones. My choice is a Meyer 7 HR .

I also play lead tenor for two Big bands. The two have vastly different approaches, one is a straight Glenn Miller, Duke Ellington approach, the 2nd utilizes vocalist & more modern tunes. In both bands I am setting in front of 9 pcs of brass, full drums, elect bass, guitar & keys. I need my metal Dukoff D6 in order to be heard & also reach the screaming upper levels.

Note: It takes a more disciplined practice routine to stay comfortable with both pieces! The tendency is to grow to have a favorite, then the other under performs when needed.
 

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Another Meyer-on-tenor guy!

Not many of us out there.

Interesting, though, that when I bought my 10M from Wichita Band many years ago, they paired it with a Meyer (I already had a Meyer, so now I"ve got two).
After 50+ years of playing and repairing, I had never even seen a Meyer for tenor. I tried one that was cheap on ebay and liked it but a bit too closed (6M). I got the 8M and found it great. In the 60s I used a Florida Link as the factory was nearby and visited about once a month. The Meyer for alto just never clicked with me and I have stayed on Selmers since 1964 for alto.
I still will try any sax mouthpiece that appears but so far the Meyer is my tenor go to.
 

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Wanted to add, I agree it’s best to play one mpc for whatever your primary sound/concept is. The utility part of playing jobs where I would switch are either very quiet, like a pit orch where it’s tiring to play a louder mpc or interferes with fl or cl chop concerns. The other would be super loud gigs where sound is unfortunately a last priority and I can play a loud mpc. I could get by in both those situations with my main mpc, but I may find it just easier to switch.
 

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After 50+ years of playing and repairing, I had never even seen a Meyer for tenor. I tried one that was cheap on ebay and liked it but a bit too closed (6M). I got the 8M and found it great. In the 60s I used a Florida Link as the factory was nearby and visited about once a month. The Meyer for alto just never clicked with me and I have stayed on Selmers since 1964 for alto.
I still will try any sax mouthpiece that appears but so far the Meyer is my tenor go to.
That's all interesting.

The Meyer (I also play an 8) was in the case when I bought my first tenor in 1978 and despite detours with others it's still my main piece for everything except loud rock and roll (Dukoff D7 for that). I've never had the least trouble being heard and how over a full size big band - but I AM playing a Conn tenor.

Different than your experience is that for me the Meyer 7 has been pretty much the perfect alto mouthpiece (Conn 6M) although for real quiet work I'll use my old Selmer Soloist C*. What do you like for alto?

By the way the Holton C worked out great, but unfortunately it's 2000 miles away from me until COVID is resolved.
 

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Thanks for the input and the time you've taken to respond. As a rule I have made suggestions about pieces, the intended recipient then undertakes their own homework and then slowly whittles down the options. FYI: The Marantz Double Ring Legacy has been discarded as an option but the Drake Stubbie is still on the table, along with pieces from Gottsu, Sakshama and a Phil-Tone Mosiac still being considered for example.
 

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The TW Gaia 3 #8 has found a very welcomed companion - the Gottsu Hibiki #9 and the player is torn over which one she loves the more. She adores their difference in tonal character and considers each piece to be equally playble - so I consider this as mission accomplished :)

heaps of thanks for all comments above - OBTW - reeds of choice - Gonzales Jazz 2.5s
 
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