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Does anyone have definitive or well-sourced info on when Coltrane switched from an SBA to a Mark VI. The books I have mention it in passing, but there's no clear date or album stated.

I've searched these forums, but so many hits come up and I don't see anything really definitive.

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[Coltrane] played an SBA until the mid 60s when he switched to a Mark VI, and you can hear a difference in timbre.
http://www.vintagekeysandpercussion.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=174 said:
John Coltrane played a 1965 mark vi in his later years!
http://drrick.com/trane/trane.htm said:
In 1960 Coltrane took up the Mark VI model of tenor saxophone that Selmer had begun to produce in 1954.

source: http://drrick.com/trane/trane.htm
 

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Interesting finds, but that's a range of 5 years. Just curious.
Well, the 125571 tenor was produced in 1964, no? But on the cover of Crescent (1964), he's holding an SBA (although the photo may have been taken earlier).

Theo Wayne says:
http://www.theowanne.com/mouthpieces101/playerSetUps.php?pid=25#SetUp said:
A Selmer Mk VI in the Love Supreme Period.
Love Supreme came out in 1965, so the switch was either in 1964 or 1965. Probably 1965.

 

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If it's true his MKVI was a '65, then it stands to reason he couldn't have been playing it prior to '65. And Whaler's clip above was shot in '65, so I think it's nailed down.
 

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I have heard (somewhere) that he also kept his BA tenor and still played it on occasion after '65, so I'm not sure you can assume all later recordings were on the VI. Anyone know one way or the other? Not that it really matters much.
 

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It is fairly easy to tell on what recordings he is using his SBA and his Mark6. Two different sounds.
As other posters concluded he started playing the Mark 6 sometime in 1965. A Love Supreme and Crescent were recorded on his SBA.
 

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I found a picture on p7 of the booklet for the deluxe edition of A Love Supreme. It shows him holding an SBA. Assuming the photo was taken at the Dec 1964 sessions, it does support Swingout's observation.

 

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I think the difference in his sound on "Supreme" is due to the fact he switched from a Tonemaster to a Florida Link.
 

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OK - now we know when (kinda).

More important, to me at least, is why? Is this documented anywhere?

I mean, it's not that big a deal, really. People change horns, mouthpieces, reeds, coffee brand, toothpaste, etc., all the time, and it's all down to personal taste. But it would be interesting to know the motivation - sound, ergonomics, the SBA was worn out, what?
 

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I think he needed a new horn, and the Mark VI was the Selmer model of the day.

It's interesting to me to research this. I've been under the impression that most of the records I love (the classic quartet) were Coltrane on a Mk VI, but it looks like he didn't start playing the Mk VI until quite late. Part of my idea of the Mk VI sound, therefore, is wrong. That timbre I admire so much is an SBA.
 

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I've been under the impression that most of the records I love (the classic quartet) were Coltrane on a Mk VI, but it looks like he didn't start playing the Mk VI until quite late. Part of my idea of the Mk VI sound, therefore, is wrong. That timbre I admire so much is an SBA.
Same here :) I have found sometime ago that it's an SBA that I really want, not a Mark IV.
 
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