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Hi, I'm looking for any information on a tenor sax made in Holland. The bell reads "Chris Kratt Music Co. Inc. Union, N.J." and "made in Holland" is stamped on the back of the body. It has rolled tone holes. It plays okay considering how much it cost (not much!) but I'm wondering if it is worth putting money into. I am attaching a photo and would appreciate any information.
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Bill
 

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Hello;
Sorry for the late response- I had no interest in these until I found a tenor made in Holland on ebay and started searching (running across this thread.) As far as I can tell it is likely made by the same people who made LaMonte saxophones (the ones stamped made in Holland- not made in Italy.) Both yours and the one on ebay have the same bell brace, guards, and from what I can tell the same key work. Here is a link for while it is still posted (with apologies to anybody doing an archive search...) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200184276281

According to another SOTW poster, in regards to Lamonte saxophones “These saxes were also made in Holland by Schenkelars (Eindhoven). As per a Duch sax web site the La Monte brand name was also sold in NL imported (Italy) saxophones. However, I have a La Monte with rolled tone holes that looks identically to the Schenkelaars and has the made in Holland in the back...Lastly, Schenkelars branded the same model as Concord's (1962) sold to NY Board of Ed.”

To me, the last sentence would tell you that they were never the most expensive pro level horn.

The long and the short of it is that if you have a sax that plays well for you but needs some tweaking it may be worth the $$$. If you are looking at a complete overhaul you may as well buy something “better.” The money you put into it will never be recovered if you want to sell it. Finally, if it just needs a few pads you could take this as an opportunity to learn how to do basic, simple repairs yourself. Do not be afraid to remove a key and replace a pad. (I hope that I am not insulting you, I do not know how much work it needs or if you are afraid to remove a key. I have a great friend who is one hell of a good player, but if a pad fell out I think he would go looking for the nearest tech...)
 

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Keilwerth stencils

mostly of this horns are pro level Keilwerth stencils, body and parts imported from Germany Keilwerth factories in a 60's. I heard them palying at highest level, very great pro built horns. I owned few of them with a different names, all plays great...very great... Undervaluated unknow horns..Something between Selmer MKVI and Conn 10M.
 

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Well, I ended up buying the one on ebay; if it is a Keilwerth stencil I would be very happy (especially @ the price I bought a tenor for.:D )
 

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I would be very, very careful in assuming that Schenkelaars has had any significant co-operation with West-Germany Keilwerth....they were more likely to have had something to do with Amati or East Germany Keilwerth or B&S-Weltklang.

They are very common in Holland (as you would think) and they are universally being discarded by technicians here as very poorly made saxophones. I seriously doubt them being a hidden jewel somewhere between a MK VI and a Conn 10M. All the ones I have seen were at the very best low level saxophones.
 

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Thanks everyone for your input. I'm curious to hear what you think of the one you purchased on eBay. It certainly does look like a very similar horn, if not exactly the same. I am considering using my Holland tenor for my first tenor repad & adjustment project.
 

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Wow, gone again for a few months and another late reply.

I am impressed with the horn for the $$$ that I put out for it. It is certainly not as “big” a sound as my 10M and not nearly as smooth or centered as the big B. I doubt that (if I performed) it would ever make it to a gig, but I have no plans to sell it. I also have not run though a wide selection of mouth pieces on it. Mostly just play with the link and perhaps if I took the time it would be better. I am trying to put my finger on exactly what is “wrong” with it and am failing. I will look closer at it over the next week or two and try to get a better review together, but I seem to think it sounds a little “stuffy.” Perhaps that is my only real complaint, perhaps if I actually think about it there will be more.
 

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Maybe I can shed some light here.
Some months ago my old Amati (post WWII czech made) was restored by a retired gentleman in Holland.
He was the person to learn sax production on behalf of Schenkelaars.
He did his apprenticeship at Keilwerth's in Germany, right after WWII.
So if it is Schenkelaars and looks like Keilwerth, that makes sense because that's the model they built.

See my other posts for more info on my sax. The restoration was a complete success.
Strangely enough before the restoration my son tried a new Keilwerth (Shadow alto). He absolutely loved it. And it was LOUD.
Now my restored Amati sounds the same and is LOUD.
It all ties in.

Regards.

Dutchy
 
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