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To all the mouthpiece gurus out there;

For an average tipped piece like a .100-.105, is it possible to make a piece that is really, really loud but yet maintains a great fat tone and can play with suttleness?

From what I have experienced, the piece that can knock down a wall at that tip opening has always been challenging to control at softer levels. It likes to be played at medium volume to all out hollerin'. And subtoning can be problematic too.

For me the best toned pieces have been the ones that don't go to level 10 on the volume dial.

What do you think?
 

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The Guardala Studio I play on can generate tons of volume when needed or desired, but still offers the subtlety and warmth that I prefer. That's why I like the piece so much. I've tried lot's of pieces looking for the perfect combination of power and tone, and many other Guardala Studios don't give me what this particular piece provides. I think it's also important to note that mouthpieces play differently for everyone. A lot of it has to do with your personal oral physique, breathing, reed preference, etc...

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Why not? there are good mouthpieces and bad ones, that's all...

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From what I have experienced, the piece that can knock down a wall at that tip opening has always been challenging to control at softer levels. It likes to be played at medium volume to all out hollerin'. And subtoning can be problematic too.

What do you think?
I think I'm pretty sure you haven't tried an RPC (or some other possibilities). I know what you mean, though. I went through a lot of high baffled, loud mpcs, that weren't very flexible. Once I got an RPC 120B, the potential (you still have to learn to play it) was there for good tone at all volume levels and good subtone. In terms of design, I think it really helps to increase the tip size, to help warm up the tone, when a med to high baffle is added.
 

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I recently had a chance to try some Ted Klum Focustones, and they have a beautiful sound but are also REALLY powerful. I was actually floored - the more air I put into it the more it gave me, it just wouldn't close up. I believe they all had a .105 tip opening.
 

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I have a Lawton, reworked -that does it all, for me. I know a few cats that play old Dukoffs, one even using plasticovers. They can get EVERYTHING out of those high baffled paint peelers. I'd say its a testament to the player's control/ chops.
 

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I don't think "quiet" vs. "loud" is necessarily very useful as a concept. My hard rubber GW Link seems to play really "loud," but there's something "spread" about the tone that makes it kind of disappear in certain live contexts. OTOH, my high baffled Ponzol can certainly play quiet, but there's an edge to the tone that really gets on my nerves in a small room.

I do think it is absolutely true, however, that over time a good player can make just about any set up work magic for him/her.
 

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Guardala "Studio" is what I would recommend. There is a learning curve and you might have to have refacing done on a stock piece to match your reeds but it will give you lots of guts.

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Guardala "Studio" is what I would recommend. There is a learning curve and you might have to have refacing done on a stock piece to match your reeds but it will give you lots of guts.

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Yep...you can hear the Guardala Studio on my Rhythm Changes Demo link below.

Randy
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Lessons page: www.beginningsax.com/Jazz Improv Lessons.htm
Rhythm Changes Demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrT0Xw_y9d0
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Yep...you can hear the Guardala Studio on my Rhythm Changes Demo link below.

Randy
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Making Sense of Jazz Improvisation
Introduction to the Blues
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Lessons page: www.beginningsax.com/Jazz Improv Lessons.htm
Rhythm Changes Demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrT0Xw_y9d0
Rhythm Changes Lesson:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMOW7QAfpwo
YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/saxtrax
That's some swinging stuff man!
 

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A good old Berg 0 or 1 chamber can get you there as well.
As for any piece in any price range you'll have to work on it
to find the tone and volume you like. I do not think spending $$$
will get you an instant mouthpiece nirvana out of the box.
 

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The player has more than a lil' to do with it too...
 

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Great sound. Guys who say these mouthpieces do not let you sculpt your own sound do not know how to play them like you do.
Yeah...but imagine how good he'd sound on a Link :badgrin:
 

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Yeah...but imagine how good he'd sound on a Link :badgrin:
Ouch!!!

Randy
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Online Jazz Lessons and Books
Lesson Series:
Making Sense of Jazz Improvisation
Introduction to the Blues
The Arpeggio Circle
Through the Keys
and more...
Lessons page: www.beginningsax.com/Jazz Improv Lessons.htm
Rhythm Changes Demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrT0Xw_y9d0
Rhythm Changes Lesson:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMOW7QAfpwo
YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/saxtrax
 

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Great playing Randy! (I'm sure you'd sound just as good on a Link)

I do think it's more difficult to get 'super loud' on a large chamber, low rollover baffle mpc, than something with more baffle and maybe a larger tip. I kinda like having the extra 'horsepower' I get with my RPC.
 
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