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I don't think he was being ironic. There are many great fans of Coltrane (myself included) who wouldn't exactly consider his soprano tone as one to emulate.
Yes I’ve seen that, but just because there are lots of detractors here doesn’t mean there aren’t also tons of fans out in the world (i.e. that “not many share that view”). Every week or so I read someone in an interview or record review specifically calling out Coltrane’s soprano tone as an influence or object of admiration. It is loved by a great many people in the scheme of things.
 

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Yes I’ve seen that, but just because there are lots of detractors here doesn’t mean there aren’t also tons of fans out in the world (i.e. that “not many share that view”). Every week or so I read someone in an interview or record review specifically calling out Coltrane’s sax tone as an influence or object of admiration. It is loved by a great many people in the scheme of things.
Extolling his soprano tone in particular? Every week?

Perhaps so.

In any event, I think JL meant "not many here share that view" which is likely based on his impression formed over nearly 20 years of experience (and tens of thousands of posts!) on this forum.
 

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Extolling his soprano tone in particular? Every week?
Yeah. To be fair, “every week” was probably overstating it, but I do see it a lot. Not necessarily all sax players, but I think it’s something a lot of people find compelling, especially people coming more from the free jazz/experimental music side of things.
 

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Not to discourage you from upgrading, but one of my bandmates buys those cheap Chinese sopranos all the time. When one breaks, he just buys another. He is an excellent player and sounds fantastic on them, in spite of the fact they're terrible horns. But he likes all the weird colors and designs and the fact he doesn't have to worry about how he treats them.
This is how I’ve always felt. The Chinese sopranos at that price point are almost disposable.

I own an Antigua Winds student model alto that I thought was the best horn ever…until I bought a Pan American stencil, which was a major upgrade for me as far as intonation, weight and ease of pay. I discovered while playing the Pan American that I prefer the warmer tone. Now the AW seems too heavy and too bright. I later got a good deal on a Yamaha YAS-23, thinking it would be as special as my YTS-52 tenor but I hate it. That Pan American is the best I’ve ever played. I discovered that by trying something else although I was pleased at the time with the AW.

I want to pick up another soprano to see if my Chinese horn is really not as special as I think it is. I’m learning “Dienda” by ear and the higher notes I’m finding are difficult. Not sure if it’s the horn or my own playing limits. A good friend of mine played my soprano and made it sing, so it’s probably me. I’m pleased with the sound it produces for me, but of course, as a Beginner, I don’t have much of an ear yet. To a trained ear it could sound like a cat being drowned so I’m curious about other horns.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions!
 

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Extolling his soprano tone in particular? Every week?

Perhaps so.

In any event, I think JL meant "not many here share that view" which is likely based on his impression formed over nearly 20 years of experience (and tens of thousands of posts!) on this forum.
Everything posted on SOTW needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
 

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I figure I can get at least $200 for my Chinese one...
Yeah, good luck with that.

Since you liked the Pan American, you might find a good match with a devalued vintage soprano. Like one that has been lacquered or maybe only keyed up to Eb3. Bruce Bailey right here on the site might have something in stock along this line.
 

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I don't think he was being ironic. There are many great fans of Coltrane (myself included) who wouldn't exactly consider his soprano tone as one to emulate.
Not only is it .... :unsure: let me put it nicely...'not everyones cup of tea'...but my understanding is, it was the intonational squirrelliness and sonic reediness of the instrument which actually attracted him to it...not to 'conquer', but to utilize.....
 

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Little bit OT, but she hasn't sung as a soprano in more than two decades. Moreover, to the extent she sings at all anymore (i.e, not in public), she's more of an alto now.
After the miracle of Joni at Newport, knowing exactly how to use what she’s got, I’d be surprised if Julie couldn’t still charm anyone she might happen to sing to.
 

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In any event, I think JL meant "not many here share that view" which is likely based on his impression formed over nearly 20 years of experience (and tens of thousands of posts!) on this forum.
Yeah, you read me right, mmichel. I remember being somewhat surprised in the past at some of the negative reaction on here to Coltrane's soprano tone/sound. And no, not all of it was negative. But everyone has their own opinion and that's fine with me. I can't really explain what it is that I like about his sound on the soprano; maybe it's just that I heard it early on in my 'jazz listening experience' and loved it from the start. And maybe, as Jay implied, the intentional "intonational squirrlliness and sonic reediness" that he utilized in an exotic fashion that attracted me to it. Who knows what kept me listening ecstatically to his rendition of "My Favorite Things" so many times? (Maybe it was just the drugs :oops:). In any case, I've always liked that sound!

Anyway, I have trouble recommending a cheap (ok, inexpensive) soprano, after owning, and foolishly parting with, that MKVI I had.
 

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Julie Andrews?
I can never think of her without remembering the scene in Bedazzled where Peter Cook is putting scratches in brand new records. (AKA “vinyl” for you kids…). She’s lovely, I’m sure, but hardly inoffensive. In fact no soprano could be so categorized. My first wife is a soprano. You haven’t lived until you’ve heard a coloratura D at 9:30 in the morning…
 

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I'm not yet ready to drop $1000 on a soprano so what's in my wheel house at about $700 that will have some resale value? I figure I can get at least $200 for my Chinese one and with the discussions lately, I'm intrigued at the possibility of owning a better one and experiencing better sound so I'm attempting to find a decent entry level horn. What names, besides Jupiter, am I looking for?
Jupiter would be a good one indeed but my advise is to try to buy an Artist model if you could , sometimes more expensive but they are really good, better than the lower series.

Anyway, something else may be a B&S ( sometimes Weltklang are identical, watch the mechanics of both), they can be very inexpensive. You may also find a Keilwerth Toneking stencil (I have found many in the NL) , probably a bit higher in price though.
 

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I can never think of her without remembering the scene in Bedazzled where Peter Cook is putting scratches in brand new records. (AKA “vinyl” for you kids…). She’s lovely, I’m sure, but hardly inoffensive. In fact no soprano could be so categorized. My first wife is a soprano. You haven’t lived until you’ve heard a coloratura D at 9:30 in the morning…
Bedazzled is almost criminally uncelebrated for its brilliance. (Plus Cook’s appearance as Drimble Wedge and the Vegetation is so prescient of at least the visual representation of Ziggy Stardust 5 years before the fact is outright shocking.) But the main thing here is that every time Cook as the Devil grants one of Dudley’s wishes he of course invokes “Julie Andrews”. Reacting to the saccharine sweet image she imbued after the massive success of the Sound of Music. It was perfect 1960’s zeitgeist.

(And, of course. Peter plays some pretty passable tenor to accompany Raquel Welch’s bar dancing during the final party sequence.)
 

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Just picked up a Weltklang from Ebay. Baby steps...I'll save(or flip) for the Yamaha YSS-475, seeing that they come so highly recommended. In the mean time, I'll futz around with this one.
 

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well, this is the older design of the weltklang with the in line leaf palm keys, I could have directed you to a similarly priced and more modern one with the same mechanics of the B&S in Belgium but that’s now hindsight , have fun

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well, this is the older design of the weltklang with the in line leaf palm keys, I could have directed you to a similarly priced and more modern one with the same mechanics of the B&S in Belgium but that’s now hindsight , have fun

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Any info on Weltklang serial numbers outside of that one chart from the way back machine that's still floating around? Not much soprano info on that.
 
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