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I know there are some other , old discussions about this, but I cant find them.
Were the New Aristocrats split bell , then the Big B came along? Was the WW II US markings on Bueschers' only on Big B horns? different for the
Navy than the Army? I have seen the US mark up high on the Bell and down low in the engraved diamond pattern, why
the difference. Is the 140 Big B the same horn? Are there other markings on Big B besides the 140 ?
Do all of these have Norton springs? Were Norton springs often gold plated or "blued"?
 

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The New Aristocrats were split bell keys, then came the 'Series I' Aristocrats, model number 135 for the altos (tenors I think were 136?). AKA the 'Art Deco' models. The 135 was a totally different horn from the 140.
The engraving changed again in the early '50s and was no longer the Big B, but the horns were still 140s.
I think the 135 was phased out in 1940. I'm sure maddenma can confirm or correct. I would seem likely that since the US didn't enter the war until late '41 / early '42, most of the WWII-era horns would be 140s.

Nortons were gold-plated, period.
 

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Thanks for that , I wasn't clear on the model numbers so much as the names. I recently purchased a Big B [Yea!!]but no model number there.
Mine is silver with "US" on it so I didn't know exactly what model I had.
 

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Thanks for that , I wasn't clear on the model numbers so much as the names. I recently purchased a Big B [Yea!!]but no model number there.
Mine is silver with "US" on it so I didn't know exactly what model I had.
I don't recall whether my 135 has a model number on it. You just know it by the engraving.
Oh yeah, the names are a bit weird. The 135 is often called the Aristocrat Series I, or the Art Deco model. The 140 Big B is aka Aristocrat Series II. The 140 after the Big B is typically called the Series III.
At least we can all agree on the True Tone and New Aristocrat.

I get the feeling that one of these days I'm going to buy a 140 to work on and end up selling my 135 instead! Enjoy the horn!
 

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Model numbers weren't stamped on the body until 1948.

Forget the common names based on cosmetics, not the construction of the instrument. They are misleading and confusing as a result.

All "Big B" altos are model 140s. All Script-engraved altos with l/h bell keys are 140's. Any "Aristocrat" alto with back bell keys is a 141 until 1960 when it becomes an S-20. All "New Aristocrat" split bell key altos are model 135, as are the l/h Art deco engraved bell key Aristocrats until 1941 when the Big B engraving was introduced. Any alto prior to the 135 all the way back to 1900 is a model 126.

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This site is deep with info-
Thank you for that all !
The link is great!....so much info and Maddenma had sound clips and all sorts of encyclopedic detail .
I typed in Buescher US and not much came up, now I know a bit more.
 
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