I've played a Great Neck Ebolin, and found it to be GREAT! Plays about the same as my Great Neck Tonalin (these are for alto). The Tonalin is my main piece, but it was refeced by Brian Powell. I'm sure if the Ebolin was refaced by the master (Brian), it would be close!
brilhart ebolin
are the ebolins any good? i have seen other brilharts sold for $300, but then i found an ebolin for $20, i will probably get it , you cant go wrong with $20,
but are they actually any good, with the original lig and cap.
Dan
but are they actually any good, with the original lig and cap.
Dan
1 - 17 of 17 Posts
Theres diff. vintages
GREAT NECK NY
then the serial number ones that were made in Carlsbad, CA
then the non serial number ones that were/ are made by the babbit co.
it all depends on the quality of the facing.
The material on all of these is plastic (or some combination of composite material.)
There is a HARD RUBBER model but its far less common.
After amassing a collection of Brilharts, ive concluded its probably pointless to collect all the old one. You can just buy a new off the shelf BEECHLEr (which is similar if not identical design, Brilhart worked with them after he sold out BRILHART) and then if they dont play well, then get it refaced by someone good.
If you can buy a brand new Beechler then whats the point in chasing after all the old brilharts? is it to get mr. Brilhart's personal facing work? what do you need that for? you can get a new Beechler refaced by one of the top refacers doing work now,it will be as good or better than anything Brilhart personally did.
If you try a bunch of off the shelf Beechlers you can probably find some that play well.
An advantage of the Beechlers is they come in medium and also small chambers (maybe large too idont know), the Brihlart ones did not come in small chamber versions, only 1 medium chamber size.
I dont know if the Beechler/ Brilhart plastic material is worth playing, because its not hard rubber. On the other hand, Marshal Royal, Charlie Parker, and beny carter played (at leat at times) on these brilharts made of the plastic.
GREAT NECK NY
then the serial number ones that were made in Carlsbad, CA
then the non serial number ones that were/ are made by the babbit co.
it all depends on the quality of the facing.
The material on all of these is plastic (or some combination of composite material.)
There is a HARD RUBBER model but its far less common.
After amassing a collection of Brilharts, ive concluded its probably pointless to collect all the old one. You can just buy a new off the shelf BEECHLEr (which is similar if not identical design, Brilhart worked with them after he sold out BRILHART) and then if they dont play well, then get it refaced by someone good.
If you can buy a brand new Beechler then whats the point in chasing after all the old brilharts? is it to get mr. Brilhart's personal facing work? what do you need that for? you can get a new Beechler refaced by one of the top refacers doing work now,it will be as good or better than anything Brilhart personally did.
If you try a bunch of off the shelf Beechlers you can probably find some that play well.
An advantage of the Beechlers is they come in medium and also small chambers (maybe large too idont know), the Brihlart ones did not come in small chamber versions, only 1 medium chamber size.
I dont know if the Beechler/ Brilhart plastic material is worth playing, because its not hard rubber. On the other hand, Marshal Royal, Charlie Parker, and beny carter played (at leat at times) on these brilharts made of the plastic.
I belive Brilhart sold his name to Selmer USA, not Babbitt.
I shortened your post a bit. First of all, Mojo is right, Brilhart sold his name to Selmer USA, not Babbitt. Second, many others played Brilhart Ebolins besides Charlie Parker, Benny Carter, and Marshall Royal. The plastic material makes no difference. Zero. There's an article on Junkdude's site by Ralph Morgan that explains this a bit better, but basically the reason why more mouthpieces are not made from plastic is that it is more difficult to produce a good facing on an injection molded plastic piece than on a rubber one.garyinla said:Theres diff. vintages
GREAT NECK NY
then the serial number ones that were made in Carlsbad, CA
then the non serial number ones that were/ are made by the babbit co.
it all depends on the quality of the facing.
I dont know if the Beechler/ Brilhart plastic material is worth playing, because its not hard rubber. On the other hand, Marshal Royal, Charlie Parker, and beny carter played (at leat at times) on these brilharts made of the plastic.
The new Brilharts suck, by the way, because Selmer USA changed the design to have a smaller chamber.
The Beechlers are a very bright mouthpiece that really don't compare to the Brilharts. (Mr. Brilhart seemed to design a lot of very loud mouthpieces used by fusion/rock players.) If you want something modern that's similar to an old Brilhart, the Runyon Custom or even the Runyon Jazz pieces are the ones to try.
The new ones are different. The chamber is smaller and the piece is shorter. Tuning and intonation are different. They're not bad pieces but they're not in the same league as the original design.
You're right, the chamber is a bit smaller, but I have found that the Selmer era Brilharts play well. They are the best value in a student mouthpiece, and pros can find good ones if they "cherry pick" from a selection.J.Max said:The new Brilharts suck, by the way, because Selmer USA changed the design to have a smaller chamber.
The Ebolins seem to play as well as the Tonalins. I think Selmer stopped producing tonalins in the '80s.
? for mojo- who would you give credit to for inventing the high baff mpc. arnold brilhart or berg larsen?
I know it was directed at Mojo but I believe Arnold Brilhart has the patent.
I heard that Santy Runyon put some "gunk" in his mouthpiece whilst still a teenager. The idea came to him because he was taking flying lessons, and the concept of an airfoil (the shape of an aeroplane wing) and it's effect on air-flow, led him to try one in a saxophone mouthpiece. I don't know when this was, but it could have been in the early 1920s.
Runyon and Brilhart were about the same age. I am not sure when they started making saxophone mouthpieces but I'm pretty sure that Brilhart wasn't making the "Level-air" until the late 50s/early 60s. Berg Larsen may have been the first "stepped wedge" and/or "bullet baffle" on the scene. I have no idea who, if anyone, holds a patent on a "mouthpiece wedge".
Runyon and Brilhart were about the same age. I am not sure when they started making saxophone mouthpieces but I'm pretty sure that Brilhart wasn't making the "Level-air" until the late 50s/early 60s. Berg Larsen may have been the first "stepped wedge" and/or "bullet baffle" on the scene. I have no idea who, if anyone, holds a patent on a "mouthpiece wedge".
OK, good point. They are good student mouthpieces.BarrySachs said:You're right, the chamber is a bit smaller, but I have found that the Selmer era Brilharts play well. They are the best value in a student mouthpiece, and pros can find good ones if they "cherry pick" from a selection.
The Ebolins seem to play as well as the Tonalins. I think Selmer stopped producing tonalins in the '80s.
As far as the wedge baffle goes, I asked this question a while back, and the general consensus seemed to be Arnold Brilhart, but I don't know if that's right.
Its not clear from some of the posts if the posters are saying the new Beechlers are not as good as the old Brilharts, or if the new Brilharts (made by Selmer?) are not as good as the old Brilharts.
My impression (and it is just that, i didnt study them) is that the current Beechler plastic and hard rubber models (they make both) are very similar to the old Brilhart Tonalin and Ebolins. The main differences that i know about are (1) the facings are not done by Brilhart but by Beechler (so they may be quite differnet i dont know) and (2) the Beechlers come in diferent chamber size options and the Brilharts did not. There are numerous pro players using these modern Beechler plastic and hard rubber pieces with good results.
Also one of the posters talks about modern Beechlers being bright and for rock, he may be referring to the metal Beelite not the plastic ones, i dont know.
My impression (and it is just that, i didnt study them) is that the current Beechler plastic and hard rubber models (they make both) are very similar to the old Brilhart Tonalin and Ebolins. The main differences that i know about are (1) the facings are not done by Brilhart but by Beechler (so they may be quite differnet i dont know) and (2) the Beechlers come in diferent chamber size options and the Brilharts did not. There are numerous pro players using these modern Beechler plastic and hard rubber pieces with good results.
Also one of the posters talks about modern Beechlers being bright and for rock, he may be referring to the metal Beelite not the plastic ones, i dont know.
IF ralph morgan says material makes no difference then why are there discussions on SOTW reporting conversations with him where he discusses the high quality of his 100% hard rubber pieces and the importance that makes to the mouthpiece?
My recollection is that Ralph believes that hard rubber pieces have a specific Shore D hardness.garyinla said:IF ralph morgan says material makes no difference then why are there discussions on SOTW reporting conversations with him where he discusses the high quality of his 100% hard rubber pieces and the importance that makes to the mouthpiece?
I do not know who first sold a mouthpiece with a high baffle but I would guess it was Berg.
But players were sticking broken reeds and wads of gum in their mouthpieces before high baffles were commercially available.
But players were sticking broken reeds and wads of gum in their mouthpieces before high baffles were commercially available.
I was talking about both, actually. The Beechlers (all of them) are very bright, as are the Claude Lakeys which also look similar to the Ebolins on the outside.garyinla said:Its not clear from some of the posts if the posters are saying the new Beechlers are not as good as the old Brilharts, or if the new Brilharts (made by Selmer?) are not as good as the old Brilharts.
My impression (and it is just that, i didnt study them) is that the current Beechler plastic and hard rubber models (they make both) are very similar to the old Brilhart Tonalin and Ebolins. The main differences that i know about are (1) the facings are not done by Brilhart but by Beechler (so they may be quite differnet i dont know) and (2) the Beechlers come in diferent chamber size options and the Brilharts did not. There are numerous pro players using these modern Beechler plastic and hard rubber pieces with good results.
Also one of the posters talks about modern Beechlers being bright and for rock, he may be referring to the metal Beelite not the plastic ones, i dont know.
I wonder if anyone has ever sent a modern Ebolin to a refacer to perfect it. Might be an interesting experiment.
BTW, correct me if I'm wrong, but the shorter shank is because the old ones had problems cracking.
The new ones are physically shorter when you stand them on the shank.
1 - 17 of 17 Posts
- This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Sax on the Web Forum
A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more!
Full Forum Listing
Top Contributors this Month
View All
SHOZZA
453 Replies
belliott
362 Replies
jazzbluescat
341 Replies
Recommended Communities
