garyinla said:Theres diff. vintages
GREAT NECK NY
then the serial number ones that were made in Carlsbad, CA
then the non serial number ones that were/ are made by the babbit co.
it all depends on the quality of the facing.
I dont know if the Beechler/ Brilhart plastic material is worth playing, because its not hard rubber. On the other hand, Marshal Royal, Charlie Parker, and beny carter played (at leat at times) on these brilharts made of the plastic.
J.Max said:The new Brilharts suck, by the way, because Selmer USA changed the design to have a smaller chamber.
OK, good point. They are good student mouthpieces.BarrySachs said:You're right, the chamber is a bit smaller, but I have found that the Selmer era Brilharts play well. They are the best value in a student mouthpiece, and pros can find good ones if they "cherry pick" from a selection.
The Ebolins seem to play as well as the Tonalins. I think Selmer stopped producing tonalins in the '80s.
My recollection is that Ralph believes that hard rubber pieces have a specific Shore D hardness.garyinla said:IF ralph morgan says material makes no difference then why are there discussions on SOTW reporting conversations with him where he discusses the high quality of his 100% hard rubber pieces and the importance that makes to the mouthpiece?
garyinla said:Its not clear from some of the posts if the posters are saying the new Beechlers are not as good as the old Brilharts, or if the new Brilharts (made by Selmer?) are not as good as the old Brilharts.
My impression (and it is just that, i didnt study them) is that the current Beechler plastic and hard rubber models (they make both) are very similar to the old Brilhart Tonalin and Ebolins. The main differences that i know about are (1) the facings are not done by Brilhart but by Beechler (so they may be quite differnet i dont know) and (2) the Beechlers come in diferent chamber size options and the Brilharts did not. There are numerous pro players using these modern Beechler plastic and hard rubber pieces with good results.
Also one of the posters talks about modern Beechlers being bright and for rock, he may be referring to the metal Beelite not the plastic ones, i dont know.