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Hi all,

Unfortunately we couldn't find a host for this month, so I will just post a quick idea for keeping us busy, but I won't be very active as a 'real' host picking a tune and commenting on everything. Would be nice if we can play that role together. :)

My interest in Jazz started with listening to older Jazz styles from the 20's till the 50's. An important part of the history of Jazz has always been the 'Jazz Battle', where two or more players of about the same level and often on the same instruments challenged each other to the limit of their abilities. Many classic examples exist, for example these:

- Arnett Cobb and Eddie Lockjaw Davis on tenor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyGvRG2RKj8

- Pepper Adams and Nick Brignola on bariton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVvQ_rKXP6o

- Roy Eldridge and Dizzy Gillespie on trumpet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd4Vs7kHXUQ

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For this month B&I TOTM I would like to use that idea in a variant by doing a 'Battle With Yourself'. It means playing in one track (you can choose whatever song you want) two or more instruments (can be two tenors, alto/tenor, what ever combination you want) or playing the same instrument with two or more different mouthpieces. The options are unlimited and it's a nice way to compare for instance two different setups You could even do this testing two different reeds on the same horn/mouthpiece!

Blues backings are very nice to use for this, but as mentioned you are free to choose your own backing and song. A good way to 'battle' with your self is for instance doing first a full chorus (or more), followed by (depending on the tune you choose) 8 x 8 bars or 4 x 4 bars. Make up your own scheme!

I have done this a lot in the past, when I still had a better place to practice and record. Here are some examples:

Horn versus horn: compare between a 1932 Conn Tranny (right) and a 1953 Selmer SBA (left) tenor, using the same mouthpiece:
- 'It Don't Mean A Thing' (Conn (R) - SBA (L) - Ponzol 120 - La Voz medium) fast:
https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12670972

Mouthpiece versus mouthpiece: compare between a modern 10mfan Robusto 11* (right) and a 50's Florida no USA 10* (left) on the SBA tenor:
- 'Tenor Madness' (10mfan Robusto 11* (R) - Otto Link Flordia no USA 10* (L) - La Voz medium):
https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=13528868

Let's see what you guys come up with this month. :mrgreen:
 

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Thanks Peter for keeping the thread going once again.
I’ll try to get something posted when I can find a little more time.
Johnny Griffin and Eddie Davis had some fantastic battles in the past and there’s a great album featuring Pepper Adams with Zoot Simms where they traded traded eights on a few tunes.
Leo Parker and Bill Swindle traded on a few tunes also.
 

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Thanks Peter
 

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I couldn’t find a youtube for that one in my library it’s “The Chase & The Steeplechase”.
Cheers Al
 

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A friendly warning... I’m now the owner of a Keilwerth, stenciled as King Tempo low A bari. I’ll probably record two battles; alto vs bari and tenor vs soprano. I now have quality horns in every common voice.

Looking forward to this before I get busy over the summer.
 

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I might try the two mouthpieces no horns battle.
That's what I thought to expect from you Nick (on both baritone and tenor)!
 

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I have done a ton of those comparison clips and did make one with five of my mouthpieces and a swinging Blues backing track in Bb (concert key) from YouTube a few years ago (April 2016).

The end result was a kind of jam session / tenor battle with myself with for me some surprises on how the five different mouthpieces compared to each other when played at full speed!

- 'Tenor Madness' - fast (on five mouthpieces):
https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=13361697

- Solo sequence:
0:00 - Openings theme
0:18 - Otto Link Florida no USA 10* - Plasticover 2 reed (far left in the mix)
0:46 - Otto Link Master Link 9 (refaced) - La Voz medium reed (far right in the mix)
1:14 - Phil Tone Mosaic 9 - La Voz medium reed (slightly left in the mix)
1:43 - 10mfan Merlot 9 HR - La Voz medium reed (slightly right in the mix)
2:13 - Ponzol 120 (old model) - La Voz medium reed (in the center of the mix)
2:41 - All mouthpieces in the same sequence as above trading fours
4:21 - Closing theme

I remember it was great fun to record that, starting with my main mouthpiece (the 10* Florida) and leaving all the spaces for four other mouthpiece tracks to come! After that the next mouthpiece track and so on.
 

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PB:

I only have one Tenor mouthpiece.

Actually, once I find a great one for me on a horn that's all I have. Currently ISO that alto mouthpiece. Thought I had it with s Riffault blank but I don't. Intonation issues killed it.

Are you revoking my account for such an obvious violation of the GAS tradition?

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Are you revoking my account for such an obvious violation of the GAS tradition?
We are currently working on a new rule to exclude each SOTW member who doesn't have at least 10 mouthpieces, but for now you are save John. :bluewink:
 

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Here's a battle of the Selmers.
32 Selmer Super Tenor with an old Link piece.
And a late Selmer MKVI Baritone with an even earlier Berg slant piece.
Comin home baby.
https://app.box.com/s/l39ux5x5k3pd09kzrrgxx0sop4jf9bap
Nice and energetic battle Nick, well done! :)

The winner for me was your baritone, it sounds really nice and strong throughout the whole take. Your tenor sound is much brighter than in the other recordings you post and I think it's because you really gave the old Link all the air you could put through. That normally shows another side of a mouthpiece and often results (especially with Florida's, which I guess you played here) in a much brighter sound when really pushed.

From mixing point of view it seems you did put the baritone right in the mix during the theme, but left in the mix during the solo's. I would keep the same horn at the same side of the mix throughout the whole number.

So what will be next, maybe your two mouthpieces no horns battle (I only now did read your above post more carefully)?!!! :bluewink:
 

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