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I found one of these recently, and it's a very interesting ligature. Seems to be Bay's take on the Winslow (one screw on the top and a "floating plate" at the bottom, made from his traditional thin metal) I'm curious if anyone else has tried one of these...you can't get them except directly from him, and I haven't heard of too many people using them, but I've had a really good experience so far with mine...