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I've decided after a long search to invest in a PB Classic Tenor, mainly based on price (wow!) and quality, especially based on some reviews here on sotw.

So here is my question...Phil offers a ton of different finishes for his horns. How are the different sound-wise? Maybe if someone who has played multiple or can well-describe their own horn based on how the finish affects the sound could give some advice here.
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Gold Plated, Silver Plated, Nickel, Bare Brass, Antique Bronze, Honey Gold Lacquer, Vintage Gold Lacquer, Vintage Bare Brass, Copper Plated, and Satin Lacquer.
I know some of these will be similar...but does the sound vary much between gold, silver, copper, nickel, bronze, and plain brass?

I'm trying to spend under $1500 so I was just planning on going with the bare brass, so any comments from anyone who has the PB Classic Bare Brass would be awesome.

Also I'll be playing it with a Vandoren V16 T8 mouthpiece, so if anyone has combined the V16 with their PB horn, any commentary would be appreciated!

Thanks!
 

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"or can well-describe their own horn based on how the finish affects the sound could give some advice here. "

Better pull on a flak jacket and jump into a trench. Asking that question here will draw some fire.
 

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Phil will tell you (and many others around these parts, me included) that material does not matter, plating or otherwise.

I played a Gold Plated Vintage Tenor @ Phil's shop before I bought my mine. My Bare Brass Vintage Tenor plays, sounds, & feels exactly the same.

I played the Classic Tenor as well. It is a phenomenal saxophone. You won't be disappointed if you pick one up.

I love my Bare Brass Barones! :)
 

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Yes I figured some people would say the finish has no effect while others would say it does, I've read some threads on here about finishes.

I was just wondering if anyone had experience testing out multiple finishes on the barones. It sounds like I will be satisfied regardless of the finish I get.

Now as far as the mouthpiece...still wondering if anyone has paired their V16 with a barone. I do realize everyone has a different sound and based on how they play and stuff, and my sound with a V16 and barone will be different from someone else's, but I was just wondering if anyone had anything to say about it.

Thanks again!
 

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Buy the finish that you like the look of. It won't make any difference to the sound.
 

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Yes I figured some people would say the finish has no effect while others would say it does, I've read some threads on here about finishes.

I was just wondering if anyone had experience testing out multiple finishes on the barones. It sounds like I will be satisfied regardless of the finish I get.


Now as far as the mouthpiece...still wondering if anyone has paired their V16 with a barone. I do realize everyone has a different sound and based on how they play and stuff, and my sound with a V16 and barone will be different from someone else's, but I was just wondering if anyone had anything to say about it.

Thanks again!
I have a barone classic and I really like it. The V16 didnt really work that great for me tone-wise. The problem was, I think, that my Barone has a very "round" sound. The V16, IMO, also has a "round" sound. The two paired together seemed to exaggerate this round quality, and the tone was lacking focus and a nice core. It sounded very sterile and hollow. I was pretty bummed by this because, at the time, the V16 was the only decent playing mpc I had. So, I didnt play the Barone much the first couple months I had it. I also had an stm and I liked the sound alot better but the piece was kind of a dog and hard to play. I sent it to Phil-tone and when I got it back the horn really came to life. Also got my hands on a Jody Jazz HR and that was nice too. Recently, I got a Jumbo Java here from Modman and Im really digging that too. Of course, your results may vary, but I guess my point is if you dont like the V16 on the barone dont give up. Find the right piece and these horns can really shine. Very rich and complex tone. Good Luck!
 

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I guess you already know some finishes require a little more upkeep than others. I have the Barone Vintage Alto dressed in Honey Gold Lacquer, and all it requires is a wipe down every now and then. Looks like new after each wipe down. I am getting a little wear spot on my left thumb rest. Don't know whether from last November to now is unusually fast for a wear spot to show up there or whether it's right on time, but who cares. I'm good with my horn sounding as good or better than those high dollar horns to my left and right. So I agree with Mr. Miller, you should go for the one that's easiest on the eyes.
 

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Hello,

I have a Honey Gold lackered Vintage Alto which I bought last November. The lacquer on it is not the best I've seen. It is unevenly applied and pretty thin. It scratches easily and as Ericpd said, mine also shows signs of ware on the left thumb rest. Mind you I am comparing it to my Yamaha YTS 62 tenor and the lacquer on Yamahas is amongst the best there is.

As for the alto itself, there was something that bothered me about it ever since I bought it, until 2 weeks ago when I discovered a leak in the F palm key. After I fixed that the sax was completely transformed. Altissimo became stable and the
sax could be played down to a whisper, thus aiding expressive playing.

As for the finish you choose, I think it depends on your attitude on maintenance of the sax. If you are the type of person who thoroughly cleans and wipes the sax after each use go for the unlacquered finish , otherwise choose a lacquered sax.
 

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I've decided after a long search to invest in a PB Classic Tenor, mainly based on price (wow!) and quality, especially based on some reviews here on sotw.

So here is my question...Phil offers a ton of different finishes for his horns. How are the different sound-wise? Maybe if someone who has played multiple or can well-describe their own horn based on how the finish affects the sound could give some advice here.
There is...
Gold Plated, Silver Plated, Nickel, Bare Brass, Antique Bronze, Honey Gold Lacquer, Vintage Gold Lacquer, Vintage Bare Brass, Copper Plated, and Satin Lacquer.
I know some of these will be similar...but does the sound vary much between gold, silver, copper, nickel, bronze, and plain brass?

I'm trying to spend under $1500 so I was just planning on going with the bare brass, so any comments from anyone who has the PB Classic Bare Brass would be awesome.

Also I'll be playing it with a Vandoren V16 T8 mouthpiece, so if anyone has combined the V16 with their PB horn, any commentary would be appreciated!

Thanks!
I don't think anyone has played them more than I have so I'll give you the skinny. There's no difference so get whatever you like looks the nicest and what you can afford. I'd also suggest that you don't wait too long because I have a lot in stock at them moment but they sell very quickly. Phil
 

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I would just suggest to think twice before getting a plated horn. They are heavier. It isn't a lot of extra weight but I notice a difference when playing for hours. The Lacquer is just a bit lighter but it feels a lot better around your neck after long practice or gigs.
 

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Thanks Phil! And thanks to everyone else for their input! Still haven't decided which one I'm gonna go with, but I'll post a review of the horn when I get it.
 

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Thanks Phil! And thanks to everyone else for their input! Still haven't decided which one I'm gonna go with, but I'll post a review of the horn when I get it.
Good luck, mattsax11. The one thing I think all of us will agree on,... you won't be sorry when you blow your first tune through it! Be-bop on! :rr:
 

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This is correct. The horn and mouthpiece need to be matched. Each time you get a new horn you are taking a chance that your mouthpiece will need to be replaced. It's neither good or bad.
 

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Guess who got their new Satin Laquer Classic Tenor Delivered just now ?

Me.

The finish is amazing, it looks even better in real life than it does on the photos and the photos it looks incredible. Ill post some pics hopefully over the weekend, as well as put my sound clips up of my Classic Soprano (which i dropped yesterday), and Classic tenor.

The horn blows me away - If you want a great looking horn (that plays equally as good), this really is a finish that blows you away. Well done Phil, i know it was only a recent addition, but its going to be a huge success.
 

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Geez Evan,... how many of these Barone horns do you have? LOL! Can I have one? Naah,... just kidding. Congrats! Your take on the new Satin Finish is interesting. It'll be nice to see some non-studio pics of the horn. I find the studio shots are best for showing detail, but the home grown pics are best for pulling out the flesh tones of the horn. Again,... congrats!
 

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Guess who got their new Satin Laquer Classic Tenor Delivered just now ?

Me.

The finish is amazing, it looks even better in real life than it does on the photos and the photos it looks incredible.
Evan

How do you compare the satin vs the antique bronze?
Do you think the satin might be too "boring" for a straight sop? .. i was vacillating between the 2 but decided on the latter. Hope i won't be disappointed!
 

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mattsax11 --

Just my experience.

Came back to sax playing after about 28 years. Spent $1800 on a "no-name" sax, probably a Taiwan sax. Really a good horn.

I wanted something a bit better for dance band. Phil was recommended. I contacted him about a gold-plated alto. He got back and recommended the gold lacquer. I have not looked back! And, it was less $$ than the first one I bought.

I purchased the vintage gold lacquered model. It stands up to the Selmers in the community band and is sometime above the lead Cannonball in the dance band.

You cannot go wrong. Listen to Phil.

However, I use a Jody Jazz DVNY in the dance band. Great mpc.
 

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I think I'm gonna go with the Satin Lacquer Classic. It looks great and of course Evan just said...it plays just as great. And arobi...I just tried my friend's DVNY the other day it it did sound fantastic. Nice big dark sound (I was playing on his silver Yamaha 82z). Sadly enough...I will not have the $600 it calls for after buying a tenor, even with Phil's incredibly low prices. First of all I've gotta see how I like it with the V16 and if it's not what I'm looking for then I'll just keep messing around with different stuff. I attend a university 15 minutes from the Junkdude store and he's got a ton of different pieces. Everyone's got me all excited now! Hopefully I can order it next week...I don't know if I can wait any longer...
 
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