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For those of you waiting for a mouthpiece, one of my machines just busted. I'm waiting for parts now. I just thought I'd let ya all know. Phil
 

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Phil Barone said:
For those of you waiting for a mouthpiece, one of my machines just busted. I'm waiting for parts now. I just thought I'd let ya all know. Phil
Don't worry Phil, I'll bring a couple of pipe wrenches and my 2 pound hammer up and I'll have 'er up and running pronto.;) Seriously, anybody that thinks owning and operating a small business is all profit should have to deal with the headaches of something like this. If it ain't one thing, it's another. Keep your chin up Phil, it'll work out. Heck, maybe you need a break anyway. Good luck.
 

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Argh!!!!!!!!!:x :x



Don't do this to me Phil....:cry:


Good luck getting it fixed.
 

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I was waiting for you to chime in...
 

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This is the stuff that sucks, actually, it all sucks. However, I do have a GREAT new piece that I don't make myself for $325.00. Phil
 

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Phil Barone said:
This is the stuff that sucks, actually, it all sucks. However, I do have a GREAT new piece that I don't make myself for $325.00. Phil
OK, I'll rise to the bait... What is it? Pictures? Description?

I always assume tenor unless told otherwise. (Nothing else matters.)
 

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OK, I'll rise to the bait... What is it? Pictures? Description?

I always assume tenor unless told otherwise. (Nothing else matters.)
A man of taste! :D
 

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Phil Barone said:
This is the stuff that sucks, actually, it all sucks. However, I do have a GREAT new piece that I don't make myself for $325.00. Phil
You're selling someone else's mpc? Are you endorsing it?
 

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Phil, it's breaking my heart: Last weekend I finally decided to order a brand spanking new Hollywood (tenor) and transferred the money to my PayPal account -- only to find out ONE day later that you increased the prices (dramatically, I might add) -- and now your machine is broken. Now I guess I will never be able to play a Hollywood. :cry:
 

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First the Amma, now this. All of the custom mouthpieces are going to have a price hike thanks to Theo, sad to say. I got a Barone NY worked on by JVW for less than the old cost of a new one. Thank goodness I got it when I did!
 

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My god, those prices went way up!!!! The prices are getting ridiculous. Who besides some of the wealthy hobbyists can afford a quality mouthpiece anymore?
 

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I bought my first Phil Barone mouthpiece in late 1999, a Hollywood, and I believe that the price was $425. Now, a seven and a half years later, Phil has raised the price of a Hollywood to $545, about 25%. I'm fairly certain Phil's expenses for food, gas, utilities, and rent (unless his apartment is rent-controlled) went up a lot more that 25% in those seven and a half years.
 

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My god, those prices went way up!!!! The prices are getting ridiculous. Who besides some of the wealthy hobbyists can afford a quality mouthpiece anymore?
Don't equate price with "quality"! I've seen enough high-priced "boutique" mpcs to know that, in most cases, the attribution or presumption of "quality" associated with absurdly high prices is usually misplaced. Despite all the "hype" you'd be very hard pressed to name a half-dozen real "A-list" professionals who consistently use "boutique" mpcs of any brand.

It's worth remembering - or knowing - that the Guardala mpcs that started this whole "boutique mpc" thing were originally designed and made as prosthetic devices to assist Mike Brecker to compensate for an irreparable physical handicap. Brecker's use of these products combined with his incomparable technical proficiency - and Guardala's relentless exploitation of both - is what created this market. Do you want or need to use a prosthesis designed for someone else? A crutch or orthopedic shoe, perhaps?

It's OK to buy mpcs - or other equipment - that compensate for some deficiency in your own inputs or that emphasize some particular tonal aspect you want to produce but each player needs to learn for himself what is actually required to obtain such results rather than depending on the flood of advertising "hype" and/or "endorsements" - or succumbing to the idea that "price=quality".

Remember that "advertising adjectives" ALWAYS add price to an object but never add VALUE! This is especially important to remember for most of the community of players populating this forum. Given the realities of the "music business", with very few exceptions, most of us are actually playing rather infrequently as a passionate (and non-self-supporting) hobby in obscure venues to inattentive audiences. Our ability as players is far more important than the ability to pay prices some are willing to pay for whatever benefit is ascribed to over-priced "boutique" mpcs. It's my long experience such mpcs are primarily bought to impress or reassure the purchaser themselves (and others of comparable gullibility) that they're a "really serious player". Affluent hobbyists with overpriced equipment are usually easy to spot on the bandstand; they "pose" well and almost invariably play poorly.

I've been around the scene long enough to remember some of the non-descript equipment used by players who are now "Jazz Icons" the younger players would (and will) die trying to emulate. To quote an observation made to me many years ago by Gene Ammons, "It ain't the equipment you're blowin' on that counts, it's what you're blowing on the equipment".

What's important to YOU?
 

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Doc, you rock.
What's important to me is swinging my *** off and making great music. I think my signature says it all.
 

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Doc, I came to the same conclusion as you after much trial and tribulation. I am just playing and tweaked LINK these days and enjoying the hell out of it.
 

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saxymanzach said:
My god, those prices went way up!!!! The prices are getting ridiculous. Who besides some of the wealthy hobbyists can afford a quality mouthpiece anymore?
RUNYON!

But seriously, Phil's new production line piece @ $325.00 is probably no more expensive in real dollars than a master link was in the 30's and I'll bet they are more consistant.
 

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I thought the Guardala was just a more refined version of a Dukoff. Hey Doc, are all Dukoffs just prosthetic devices too? You really think a lot of people like Guardalas because of hype? Some people like cubic inches others like 4 valves per cylinder some like turbo charging. How has a guy like Phil stayed in business all these years if a "boutique" mouthpiece is hype. Doc,how have you stayed around all these years? Doesn't your work on a mouthpiece make it a boutique mouthpiece? Don't you charge $ for that work? Maybe we should go back to the horse and buggy and giant computers and 8 track tape!!
 
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