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Supposed to be a New King Stencil?? (which is a couf stencil??) K
Anybody ever play a Metro??
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Not yet! But I got one scheduled to arrive on Jan 4. If it is anything like my New King I will have doubled my pleasure and fun:clown:
I adore my New King. All my other horns are off the stands and in the cases these days.
I adore my New King. All my other horns are off the stands and in the cases these days.
Selmer Paris 6,7,SA80 & Couf S1s
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I've ridden the Metro ... oh wait, were talking saxes here .....
Mark, if Keith is ever in your area you're gonna have to let him toot that New King. We're in the lookout for another one too ....
Mark, if Keith is ever in your area you're gonna have to let him toot that New King. We're in the lookout for another one too ....
Got the Metro yesterday. It is very similar to the New King. Same body tube, keys and neck. There are some slight alterations...some of this may be due to serial # range, my New King is #31277 and the Metro is #25632. The mechanisms that operate the side octave key vent on the body tube is a little different in design. On the Metro the lucite keyguard has been replaced with Selmer style sheet metal brass key guards and the lacquer is lighter. My New King the lacquer is a very dark gold. Both horns share a similar sound but my New King is more resonant, of course it had been tweaked by my tech and I have not done anything yet to the Metro besides pull it out of the case and play it. Another difference is the Metro has a helper bar on the low Bb that comes in contact with the low B when you depress the low Bb. I will be curious to see if once tweaked if the Metro equals my New King in sonic presence. Even if it doesn't it certainly makes for a great back-up.
Steve and EZ know how much I love the New King, I bought it from them. It is my favorite horn in my current collection. I am mainly a R&B Funkster and this horn has super personality, soul and sings sweet as a church choir or can get gut-bucket nasty in the juke joint and all things in between. It really has such a great voice and compared to most any othe horn I've owned is the most sensitive to mouthpiece selection. What I mean by that is that it is very mouthpiece friendly but I get a larger more pronounced difference when I change set-ups. I own B&S, Huller, Buescher...have owned MKVI's, Martins, Conns, Selmer Supers, Saxophone.com, SML and hands down I really like my New King best thus far.
I would like to try a Couf, the only (and very slight at that) drawback is newer more modern horns have a more ergonomic slightly smoother key action. Considering the sound and performance I get it is worth the small inconvienece to me personally.
It might be in part due to the lucite keyguard but the New King does seem to have a larger, fatter more vibrant tone. Then again I really have not given the Metro a fair shake since I really should have a leak light run through it before considering it to be second string.
Steve and EZ know how much I love the New King, I bought it from them. It is my favorite horn in my current collection. I am mainly a R&B Funkster and this horn has super personality, soul and sings sweet as a church choir or can get gut-bucket nasty in the juke joint and all things in between. It really has such a great voice and compared to most any othe horn I've owned is the most sensitive to mouthpiece selection. What I mean by that is that it is very mouthpiece friendly but I get a larger more pronounced difference when I change set-ups. I own B&S, Huller, Buescher...have owned MKVI's, Martins, Conns, Selmer Supers, Saxophone.com, SML and hands down I really like my New King best thus far.
I would like to try a Couf, the only (and very slight at that) drawback is newer more modern horns have a more ergonomic slightly smoother key action. Considering the sound and performance I get it is worth the small inconvienece to me personally.
It might be in part due to the lucite keyguard but the New King does seem to have a larger, fatter more vibrant tone. Then again I really have not given the Metro a fair shake since I really should have a leak light run through it before considering it to be second string.
Selmer Paris 6,7,SA80 & Couf S1s
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"or can get gut-bucket nasty in the juke joint "
wish I knew what that meant .......
wish I knew what that meant .......
Another way to paraphrase that would be that the New King is versatile enough for any genre or music or venue whether it testifyin' in a place of worship or playin' some sassy stuff like a honkin' barwalker in a smoky dive-bar. Let's face it everyone needs to hear some saxophone:twisted:
Mark, glad you're enjoying the METRO tenor; I'm gonna miss that tenor, as
it was the last of the Keilwerths that I had in the stable.
Check it out and get back to this thread : what's the taper like on the Metro
neck vs. your New King ?
I had an earlier KING tenor(as I mentioned in the email) in the 14,000 range
that was a little bigger in sound than the METRO, and it was obvious, to me
at the time that it's neck taper wasn't as pronounced as the Metro; it was
more open at the end. The necks weren't interchangabe, due to the
different style neck 8va keys, and the Metro has that Martin-style thumbscrew
on the neck.
I also had a later New King (58,000) tenor awhile back that had the larger
bell and wide bow of the Coufs and Modern SX-Rs -- a similar vintage as
what Don Menza was playing back when. He played a "ToneKing Special".
That tenor was a real monster !
Keilwerth used various names over the years, but always made a great horn.
it was the last of the Keilwerths that I had in the stable.
Check it out and get back to this thread : what's the taper like on the Metro
neck vs. your New King ?
I had an earlier KING tenor(as I mentioned in the email) in the 14,000 range
that was a little bigger in sound than the METRO, and it was obvious, to me
at the time that it's neck taper wasn't as pronounced as the Metro; it was
more open at the end. The necks weren't interchangabe, due to the
different style neck 8va keys, and the Metro has that Martin-style thumbscrew
on the neck.
I also had a later New King (58,000) tenor awhile back that had the larger
bell and wide bow of the Coufs and Modern SX-Rs -- a similar vintage as
what Don Menza was playing back when. He played a "ToneKing Special".
That tenor was a real monster !
Keilwerth used various names over the years, but always made a great horn.
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