Sax on the Web Forum banner

1 - 20 of 21 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
393 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
I purchased AMMA 7* 3 months ago ( sold 3 mouthpieces to pay for it ) and had difficulty adjusting to it. Started with Superial 2.5 reed.


Sound was good but chirping like crazy in octave register G and above and was closing up above D. Went to a Superial 3, chirping diminished, but was still there and still closing on me. Next went to Rigotti Gold 3.5 soft, absolutely great sound, no chirping and only seems to close at high F. Ordered some DC Superial 4.0 and this may be the answer for me. Maybe I should have ordered the 8*
I really like the sound of the AMMA, rich and bold.
Please answer this question for me, what is meant by "complex" sound or tone ? I never really understood what it meant.
Thanks
George
 

·
Forum Contributor 2008/Distinguished SOTW Member
Joined
·
3,295 Posts
I've always thought of a complex tone as one where you can hear the different layers of the fundamental verses the overtones (and maybe undertones for some). Like a full sound that almost sounds like two horns. Not a multiphonic, per say, but very rich. Dexter had a VERY complex sound in my opinion. Same with Bergonzi.

Does that help?
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member/Logician
Joined
·
25,969 Posts
I think you should have returned it from the get go. Who talked you into trying different reeds? You could get used to playing practically any piece, but that doesn't necessarily make it the proper one for you.
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member, Forum Contributor 2007-
Joined
·
5,316 Posts
Mactenor,

I had a similar experience with the AMMA. I went to a harder reed initially, to add resistance, but eventually settled back to a reed not much harder than the first.

I don't have trouble with chirping, but I sometimes have a problem which may be chirping's first cousin: Occasionally blowing overtones of the intended note, instead of the note itself. I notice this more with the AMMA, and it may go hand in glove with how easy it is to blow overtones on the AMMA (and perhaps on any bright Link?). In any case, adjusting my embouchure a bit always quickly remedies this; it's a reminder that I'm not concentrating.

Also, I found that paying attention to where my tongue is fixes problems "with the reed closing up" in the very high register. In order to train the little beastie, I sometimes start at E3 and go up by half-tones: E/F, F/F#, etc., or play C3/E3, C3/F3, C3/F#3, etc. Based on what you're saying, you might want to start the half-tones at C3.

Now, you can get much more expert advice on SOTW, and I hope you will, but hopefully these ideas will help you, as they have me. Who knows, maybe I'll get much better advice too!:D One other thing: While I did go to a harder reed, the difference was nothing as big as you describe. FWIW, going from a 2 1/2 to a 4 doesn't seem like it can be right.
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member, Forum Contributor 2015-
Joined
·
32,937 Posts
No. Squeaking is for beginners, chirping is for advanced players with expensive mouthpieces. ;)
 

·
The most prolific Distinguished SOTW poster, Forum
Joined
·
27,650 Posts
Dr G said:
No. Squeaking is for beginners, chirping is for advanced players with expensive mouthpieces. ;)
LOL. Extra points for you this evening, George. :D
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member, Forum Contributor 2007-
Joined
·
5,316 Posts
Dr G said:
No. Squeaking is for beginners, chirping is for advanced players with expensive mouthpieces. ;)
Too bad.:( Blowing the overtones is squeaking.
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member, Forum Contributor 2015-
Joined
·
32,937 Posts
I respectfully disagree, my overtones/harmonics sound nothing like a squeak.
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member, Forum Contributor 2007-
Joined
·
5,316 Posts
Dr G said:
I respectfully disagree, my overtones/harmonics sound nothing like a squeak.
Actually George, even my my overtones/harmonics sound nothing like a squeak. I guess that's the last time I'll be a straight man for you (until the next time! :D )
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member, Forum Contributor 2015-
Joined
·
32,937 Posts
My bad. Sorry to have missed the joke.

Cheers.
 

·
Mouthpiece Refacer Extraordinaire and Forum Contri
Joined
·
3,406 Posts
If people were this patient and diligent with SS Bergs, my arm wouldn't hurt so much. :)
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member, Forum Contributor 2013
Joined
·
4,466 Posts
all these problems sound like embrochure adjustment, to a new piece problems
as opposed to a reed strength issue. I understand that these are very freeblowing pieces -loosen up-you may be unconciously tightening up to compensate. Not having tried the AMMA I could be exactly wrong(as unlikely as that may be)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3 Posts
Does this AMMA play anything like an old link.I had an old 7* made in 1969 and have never found any piece I liked better.Sure wish I had that one back!!
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member, Forum Contributor 2007-
Joined
·
5,316 Posts
Thomas said:
. . . I understand that these [AMMAs] are very freeblowing pieces. . .
Yes, they are.


Bluenose said:
Does this AMMA play anything like an old link. . . .
I'm not sure which old Link you had in mind. According to Theo (http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=63420&page=4)
Theo Wanne said:
. . . My goal with the AMMA was to make a mouthpiece for those who love a large chamber mouthpiece and are looking for that type of fat sound with some extra projection over the standard vintage Link. . . .
According to Skip Spratt, a very accomplished player (http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=63420):
skipsax said:
. . . The Amma will allow darker players to retain that and brighter players like myself to retain that as well. . . .
IMHO, the AMMA plays a bit on the bright side. By way of comparison, the AMMA sounds notably brighter than a Barone Jazz.
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member/Logician
Joined
·
25,969 Posts
Here's what Tom Waits had to say:
Step right up, step right up, step right up,
Everyone's a winner, bargains galore
That's right, you too can be the proud owner
Of the quality goes in before the name goes on
One-tenth of a dollar, one-tenth of a dollar, we got service after sales
You need perfume? we got perfume, how 'bout an engagement ring?
Something for the little lady, something for the little lady,
Something for the little lady, hmm
Three for a dollar
We got a year-end clearance, we got a white sale
And a smoke-damaged furniture, you can drive it away today
Act now, act now, and receive as our gift, our gift to you
They come in all colors, one size fits all
No muss, no fuss, no spills, you're tired of kitchen drudgery
Everything must go, going out of business, going out of business
Going out of business sale
Fifty percent off original retail price, skip the middle man
Don't settle for less
How do we do it? how do we do it? volume, volume, turn up the volume
Now you've heard it advertised, don't hesitate
Don't be caught with your drawers down,
Don't be caught with your drawers down
You can step right up, step right up

That's right, it filets, it chops, it dices, slices,
Never stops, lasts a lifetime, mows your lawn
And it mows your lawn and it picks up the kids from school
It gets rid of unwanted facial hair, it gets rid of embarrassing age spots,
It delivers a pizza, and it lengthens, and it strengthens
And it finds that slipper that's been at large
under the chaise lounge for several weeks
And it plays a mean Rhythm Master,
It makes excuses for unwanted lipstick on your collar
And it's only a dollar, step right up, it's only a dollar, step right up

'Cause it forges your signature
If not completely satisfied, mail back unused portion of product
For complete refund of price of purchase
Step right up
Please allow thirty days for delivery, don't be fooled by cheap imitations
You can live in it, live in it, laugh in it, love in it
Swim in it, sleep in it,
Live in it, swim in it, laugh in it, love in it
Removes embarrassing stains from contour sheets, that's right
And it entertains visiting relatives, it turns a sandwich into a banquet
Tired of being the life of the party?
Change your shorts, change your life, change your life
Change into a nine-year-old Hindu boy, get rid of your wife,
And it walks your dog, and it doubles on sax
Doubles on sax, you can jump back Jack, see you later alligator
See you later alligator
And it steals your car
It gets rid of your gambling debts, it quits smoking
It's a friend, and it's a companion,
And it's the only product you will ever need
Follow these easy assembly instructions it never needs ironing
Well it takes weights off hips, bust, thighs, chin, midriff,
Gives you dandruff, and it finds you a job, it is a job
And it strips the phone company free take ten for five exchange,
And it gives you denture breath
And you know it's a friend, and it's a companion
And it gets rid of your traveler's checks
It's new, it's improved, it's old-fashioned
Well it takes care of business, never needs winding,
Never needs winding, never needs winding
Gets rid of blackheads, the heartbreak of psoriasis,
Christ, you don't know the meaning of heartbreak, buddy,
C'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon
'Cause it's effective, it's defective, it creates household odors,
It disinfects, it sanitizes for your protection
It gives you an erection, it wins the election
Why put up with painful corns any longer?
It's a redeemable coupon, no obligation, no salesman will visit your home
We got a jackpot, jackpot, jackpot, prizes, prizes, prizes, all work guaranteed
How do we do it, how do we do it, how do we do it, how do we do it
We need your business, we're going out of business
We'll give you the business
Get on the business end of our going-out-of-business sale
Receive our free brochure, free brochure
Read the easy-to-follow assembly instructions, batteries not included
Send before midnight tomorrow, terms available,
Step right up, step right up, step right up
You got it buddy: the large print giveth, and the small print taketh away
Step right up, you can step right up, you can step right up
C'mon step right up
(Get away from me kid, you bother me...)
Step right up, step right up, step right up, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon
Step right up, you can step right up, c'mon and step right up,
C'mon and step right up
 

·
Distinguished Colorful Mouthpiece Designer
Joined
·
1,019 Posts
Dr G said:
No. Squeaking is for beginners, chirping is for advanced players with expensive mouthpieces. ;)
You are great!!! :D

Stan
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,955 Posts
Hey Grumps,

As well as being a very cool tune, its a pretty cool social commentary isn't it?

Do you know who the tenor player is? Frank Vicari? Lew Tabackin?
 
1 - 20 of 21 Posts
Top