I bought a beautiful 1945 silver 10M, only to realize later I had gotten "horn fever" and overlooked that the neck was in facter a Buescher TT neck. I have not been able to find a silver 10M neck to replace it with, or for that matter any similar looking Conn neck. I'd rather not put a 16M neck on it or a stencil neck that doesn't look like the 10M necks. And it definitely does not play in tune with that Buescher neck.
Aftermarket Necks for Conn 10M?
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Hey that's this guy's setup.
It certainly seems to work ok for him.
I don't know what you were playing before the Conn, but if you're not familiar with them, it can take a bit of practice to blow in tune.
It certainly seems to work ok for him.
I don't know what you were playing before the Conn, but if you're not familiar with them, it can take a bit of practice to blow in tune.
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Gloger in the U.S. is distributed by MusicMedic.com: https://musicmedic.com/products/sax...saxophone-neck-solid-high-density-copper.html
Another alternative is Kim Bock: http://www.kbsax.com/kbsax-necks.html#Neck_Models
Another alternative is Kim Bock: http://www.kbsax.com/kbsax-necks.html#Neck_Models
Well I have another 1951 10M I've played a lot, which has perfect intonation. I traded it temporarily for a pre-war 10M and the 1951 had better intonation for sure. But this 1946 is quite off. It's closer with the 1951 10M neck, but still a little off, same mouthpieces (Brilhart Personaline and Link STM.) And my favorite horn is my Conn Cmelody. Pretty certain it's the neck.
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Are the key heights similar on the two horns? That'll mess with intonation too.
G'luck with your quest.
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I wonder how necks designed for a wide range of Mark VI/SBA/BA can work on a 10M, which in origin comes with proprietary neck with an original design and bore.
Matching a neck to a saxophone body is not just a matter of how well the neck shank fits on the neck receiver of the body.
Major intonation issues on Conns are mostly due to a ""bad"" neck. "Bad" due to manufacturing inconsistancy.
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There was recently a thread started by SotW member "Buddy Lee" regarding this very issue.
https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showt...rket-Necks-How-is-it-Possible&highlight=Necks
Kim Bock and Karsten Gloger are among those who make necks specific to the horn model (vs one-neck-fits-all).
https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showt...rket-Necks-How-is-it-Possible&highlight=Necks
Kim Bock and Karsten Gloger are among those who make necks specific to the horn model (vs one-neck-fits-all).
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I see a True Tone tenor neck and a split bell horn.
I do not see a 10m.
Maybe it is a NW I or II?
The left pinkie array might be smooth.
Could not appreciate any mercedes guard.
Elsewhere it says he plays a transitional.
I have seen him using a standard looking Conn neck, also.
Anyway, the results speak for themselves, no matter what the tools are to get there.
Is the NW tube the same as the 10M? If that is the case then the intonation challenges should be the same.
Tivon Pennicott on tenor sax.
I'll say he is!
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Gloger yes.
KB Sax no. Otherwise, he would have put many references of how well a KB Neck works on a 10M.
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Not at all.
I've tried more NW I and NW II... and had more luck with the NW I.
But I can't make statistics on pitch tendencies on such old horns.
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I was wondering about the applicability of a Man in the Moon neck ...
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Why not ?
You are basically stating 'although I know a 16M neck works on a 10M [this is established, as you know], I don't want to use one because it will look different'.
On the list of priority of finding a neck match, how important is that ? If you can find a wire-brace PanAm or 16M neck, they do in fact 'look like' a 10M neck, except for the octave pip. Buy a project 16M or PanAm....take the neck, strip off the lacq, have it plated...sell me the remaining body for $75.
It'll be cheaper than buying a Gloger, etc...it'll be the same spec as a 10M neck, and made in Elkhart.
Matter of fact...then SELL the Buescher neck (for a good $125 prob'ly) ....and you will have even lessened your whole investment.
Problem solved.
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Yup. You are saying if the Man in Moon neck works on a Chu, would it work on a 10M equally as well ?
Good question.
Chus and 10M's had body spec changes.
However...I suppose one can extrapolate and say that as NWI and II necks work on 10M's (they do, in my experience - although indeed the neck specs of the NW's and 10M's are NOT identical)...perhaps a Man neck would work on a 10M.
But there would be a small leap of faith one would be making there (absent of anyone who can confirm that this combo does indeed work).
Quite honestly, I have found Bundy and Holton necks work fine on Conns as well (tenon adjustments necessary sometimes). Martin and King, not so much....
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I think that the Man in the Moon neck in question was modified to some degree.
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The Conn neck that came with my Tranny played with terrible intonation so much so that it made me wonder whether it was original to the horn despite it being a Conn neck. I tried the Kb sax neck and it proved a match - great intonation, great altissimo, all overtone partials nicely slotted in and easy to play. Seems crazy considering that it's a copy of a SBA neck but it works great. So be wary of assuming that a Conn neck is going to be the solution. You gotta play it to determine whether or not it'll work.
I do recall seeing a thread here in which some tech or collector had measured a slew of Conn chu and 10m necks, discovering a multitude of different specs neck to neck.
I do recall seeing a thread here in which some tech or collector had measured a slew of Conn chu and 10m necks, discovering a multitude of different specs neck to neck.
Well, OP, you currently have a sax without a neck, or as near as possible to it. Personally I would rather have a playable instrument with a 16M or Mexi-Conn neck, than an unplayable instrument.
I'm not very classy, so what I would probably do is to get a couple crummy old Mexi-Conns, try the necks, if OK, strip the lacquer and spray paint it silver. Sell the remains for parts. Move on.
But, like I said, I don't have very good taste.
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One has to pay for one's thrills.
*Got a 10M with a TT neck that some people might make work OK with modifications of some kind. Probably would have to pay around $100 to get it to work, I suppose, maybe with extensions or sleeves or something. Has anyone specified what Tivon Pennicott did to his?
**Could get a 16M neck pretty cheap that would work, and would be easily turned into a bare brass. That would look cool to some folks, but for the O.P. different is bad. I got a Mexiconn 16M at $100, shipped, figuring that the case was worth that. Neck would be worth that, maybe.
***Could get a 16M neck and have it silver plated. Last time I priced getting silver plating done, it cost roughly one gonad, plus an arm and a leg.
****Could just keep waiting around for a silver plated 10M neck to show up. Might develop old age complications by then, and not be playing the sax in the meantime.
*****Might contact Perry Ritter in NYC as per post #18.
******Might price a Gloger neck (https://musicmedic.com/gloger-handk...y-silver-necks-solid-high-density-silver.html) which is an arm, a leg, and BOTH gonads.
That is a pretty good range of options, seems to me, and maybe I missed a few, at that.
I hope the OP will let us know how it turns out.
*Got a 10M with a TT neck that some people might make work OK with modifications of some kind. Probably would have to pay around $100 to get it to work, I suppose, maybe with extensions or sleeves or something. Has anyone specified what Tivon Pennicott did to his?
**Could get a 16M neck pretty cheap that would work, and would be easily turned into a bare brass. That would look cool to some folks, but for the O.P. different is bad. I got a Mexiconn 16M at $100, shipped, figuring that the case was worth that. Neck would be worth that, maybe.
***Could get a 16M neck and have it silver plated. Last time I priced getting silver plating done, it cost roughly one gonad, plus an arm and a leg.
****Could just keep waiting around for a silver plated 10M neck to show up. Might develop old age complications by then, and not be playing the sax in the meantime.
*****Might contact Perry Ritter in NYC as per post #18.
******Might price a Gloger neck (https://musicmedic.com/gloger-handk...y-silver-necks-solid-high-density-silver.html) which is an arm, a leg, and BOTH gonads.
That is a pretty good range of options, seems to me, and maybe I missed a few, at that.
I hope the OP will let us know how it turns out.
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