[tobiasklug]

Hi,
which mpc do you choose for an old Buescher Bass Sax (True Tone)?

I'd like to achieve a full sound, suitable for both, jazz combo (bass replacement or solo) and saxophone orchestra (classical repertoire).

Any suggestions are welcome!

I've tried a Rascher Bariton mpc, but the chamber is too small. What i. e. about an Otto Link "Tone Edge" on a bass?

Thanks,
Tobias

 

[VintageSaxGuy]

I mostly use a STM Link on my '27 TT bass.

 

[Stan]

Need a Bass mouthpiece?

Stan

 

[paulwl]

Tobias, you may be the first person who ever said the chamber on a Rascher piece was too small!

Maybe you meant the tip opening?

 

[tobiasklug]

Hi Stan, yes - what do you recommend?

Hi paulwl, might be the tip opening. What about refacing?

Thanks,
Tobias

 

[paulwl]

It might be tricky. You can't put just any facing on this type of chamber - it has to be fairly close and fairly long, or it will just sound harsh. Basses in particular need a long curve if the low notes are going to speak.

Do you know anyone among the Rascher Quartet circle in south Germany? They might have a refacing tech they work with.

 

[sandster]

I use the original piece. It's marked "The Buescher Elkhart Ind". I chose it over a couple of bari pcs. I'm using it on a similar vintage Buescher bass. I really like the sound. It's full, of course, but warm and rich, too. Very nice top notes. I'd recommend getting one to try. Must be some out there.

 

[SaxTon]

Either old buescher or Conn Eagle (with ring on rear) work the best IMO for old american style basses. I use Marca 2.5 reeds and get a nice full in tune sound from top to bottom using the Conn (I have the Buescher also but the Conn works a little better for me on my horn)

Zinner in germany makes a similar style MP I think but I've never seen one. Bari MPs give the bass to much center and it sounds like a bari that goes lower- but the sound does cut through more of course if this is what you want. If you want tradiitional rich tubby bass sound (especially on the bottom end that can speak softly to loudly with finesse the older style MPs are the way to go IMO

 

[saxtek]

The old Buescher bass sax mouthpieces work very well on the Buescher basses. They are not very loud, but they eliminate a lot of problems. If you know an excellent refacer who has experience with bass sax mouthpieces, it may be a good idea to have the old Buescher (or Conn) bass mouthpiece refaced. They are about 80 years old, and may be warped. For modern (louder) playing, it's OK to open them up, but don't go beyond a .100" tip.

 

[warp x]

Need a Bass mouthpiece?

Yeah, talk to Stan!

 

[Stan]

Hi Stan, yes - what do you recommend?

Hi paulwl, might be the tip opening. What about refacing?

Thanks,
Tobias

HSM mouthpieces, what else?

http://www.hsm-masterpieces.com/hsm.html

"We produce mouthpieces for Soprillo, Sopranino, Soprano, Alto, C-Melody, Tenor, Baritone, Bass and Contrabass Saxophones. We also produce professional Clarinet Bb mouthpiece. Moreover we do any kind of custom work that you might wish"

Stan

 

[bobsax]

Either old buescher or Conn Eagle (with ring on rear) work the best IMO for old american style basses. I use Marca 2.5 reeds and get a nice full in tune sound from top to bottom using the Conn (I have the Buescher also but the Conn works a little better for me on my horn)

Zinner in germany makes a similar style MP I think but I've never seen one. Bari MPs give the bass to much center and it sounds like a bari that goes lower- but the sound does cut through more of course if this is what you want. If you want tradiitional rich tubby bass sound (especially on the bottom end that can speak softly to loudly with finesse the older style MPs are the way to go IMO

I'm rehashing this old thread but this is the perfect thread and it's not too long.

Any new information? I've seen that Jody jazz has a baritone mouthpiece that works for bass sax and I think it uses baritone sax reads which would save some money and increase the quality/selection of reeds too.
The mouthpiece that came with the horn is a Vandoren hard rubber C 1 . Tip opening is too small. I guess I can try my beri mouthpiece( large tip opening HR Jody jazz ) I hadn't thought of that really? But I guess some folks hav done it?

 

[lydian]

I recently got a refaced Runyon from Paul Coates. I absolutely love it, and it's cheap compared to the alternatives. I hated my Vandoren as well.

M/P Info By Paul Coats - Bassic Sax | Bassic Sax

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[Martin Williams]

Holy thread resurrection Batman!

But to answer your question, I have both a Paul Coats Runyon and a Jody Jazz Bass piece. The Jody Jazz is a CLEAR winner on my '26 Beuscher Bass.

And yes, bari reeds work on both pieces.

 

[Heisty]

Holy thread resurrection Batman!

But to answer your question, I have both a Paul Coats Runyon and a Jody Jazz Bass piece. The Jody Jazz is a CLEAR winner on my '26 Beuscher Bass.

And yes, bari reeds work on both pieces.

Hello - am apparently too new to send a pm. Would like to know more about WHY the Jody is a clear winner, what if any problems did it clear up? I have a 1925….

 

[Martin Williams]

Hello - am apparently too new to send a pm. Would like to know more about WHY the Jody is a clear winner, what if any problems did it clear up? I have a 1925….

Intonation was great on both pieces, but the Jody Jazz had a much stronger presence and much deeper tone. Articulation in the low end was easier as well.

 

[turf3]

My bass is NOT a Buescher or similar - it's a Beaugnier (short wrap). At any rate, I found that the Jody Jazz bass piece is a very well crafted piece, good intonation match with my horn, but honestly I found a more rich and satisfying tone with the Selmer S-80 bass mouthpiece. I think you could find similar results on a Buescher (long wrap) bass. The Jody Jazz MIGHT have a little more projection, but I've never found inadequate projection with the Selmer piece. The tonal nature and pitch of the bass sax gives it such a huge presence that you don't need to blow your brains out to be heard.

 

[lydian]

Besides the sound, my favorite thing about the Runyon is the $150 price tag, $350 less than a Selmer and $500 less than a JJ. Sounds pretty decent from where I sit and not very different from the JJ.

Here's a demo of the JJ:

 

[BH9]

I think the Saxquest Hoss would work great on a bass.

 

[lydian]

I think the Saxquest Hoss would work great on a bass.

What's your reasoning? Looks like that's modeled after a Berg. I've tried a bari Berg on bass, and the chamber is way too small and throws off the intonation. It's also much too bright. I had similar results with a Link. Bigger chamber, but still too bright.