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Hi All,

I am new in the Saxophone world. I have just learned how to play Sax for about 8 months, and I have a lot of fun.
I just wonder if it is common in the Sax community to have a Sax Group. Other than Sax, I play piano and I belong to several Piano Groups.
I am looking for a Sax group.

How about adult Sax competition, do we have that kind of competition?

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I am new in the Saxophone world. I have just learned how to play Sax for about 8 months, and I have a lot of fun.
I just wonder if it is common in the Sax community to have a Sax Group. Other than Sax, I play piano and I belong to several Piano Groups.
I am looking for a Sax group.
First, everything depends on exactly where you live. What counts is what you can find -- or start up, if you're bold -- in your own community.

Second, what do you mean by "sax group"? Do you mean an ensemble of musicians, such as a saxophone quartet, saxophone quintet, or larger saxophone choir or saxophone chamber orchestra? These groups are pretty common, although the larger ones tend to be associated mainly with universities. I play in a saxophone ensemble that varies between four and six musicians, so we can play a lot of different repertory.

Or, by "sax group," do you mean a kind of club for saxophone players, in which people get together to swap music or equipment, discuss issues of common interest, etc.?

How about adult Sax competition, do we have that kind of competition?
Organized, formally judged musical competitions tend to be limited to professionals or very advanced students. I've never heard of a formal saxophone competition for amateurs. (I believe there is one for pianists, but they are highly skilled, close-to-pro-level amateurs.) But nothing's stopping you from convening a "sax battle" in which you and some colleagues jam together and see who impresses the most. You might be able to find something like that at a night club with an open-mike night.
 

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How about adult Sax competition, do we have that kind of competition?
If they exist, I avoid them. Saxophone is not a sport. I'm on this planet to make music, not compete.

Enjoy the path.
 

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Adult Saxophone Group - sounds like something done privately after hours.
 

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If they exist, I avoid them. Saxophone is not a sport. I'm on this planet to make music, not compete.

Enjoy the path.
Thanks Dr G, I have said this myself many times. Music is an art and an entertainment business, not a competitive sport. I think competition is healthy on a personal level though, trying to be the best player you can, have the best band you can, with the ultimate goal of getting more calls. If your goal is to be super hot sh-t at the jams, then I don't want to know you.
 

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I've never been in a place with enough sax players to form a 'club' to meet, play and talk. When this forum started it was the answer to my dreams because now I had a place to talk with other sax players. There might be such a group somewhere but I wouldn't know where. I can see that it might work with hobbyists, but there is no way working sax players would ever be involved in anything like that. This forum is the only opportunity I have ever had to discuss things working sax players want to know about. I'm not out on some desert isle, either, and I have lived/worked in some larger cities; its just that working sax players have always been kind of rare and today are very rare. I go years between actually seeing somebody else play sax live, and in my experience when you do meet they don't seem to want to 'talk shop' which is what I love to do.
So, if you can put together two or three amateur players to get together and talk/play, it probably would be a beneficial thing.
 

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The Music Center of the Northwest in Seattle had (has?) an adult saxophone group, usually 3 to 5 members. Taught by a local sax player/teacher/repair tech. It was actually a good way for a beginning sax player to get to understand group playing. Timing, dynamics, even some instrument maintenance. In other group settings, the instructor takes time to explain fingerings to guitar players, rhythm to the drummer, volume to the drummer, personal hygiene to the drummer, etc. In an all saxophone group, more of the instruction, even explanations to another group member apply to the sax in general and can be helpful. The instructor always had her horn and could quickly demonstrate, so it was a lesson and a hoot.

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I'm going to the regular Tuesday night jam.
One other sax player on tenor/soprano so I bring alto/bari.
I wish there were more saxes sometimes, but between us, piano, guitar, violin and bass there are a lot of solos.
Drummer never takes a solo.
 

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I started my own sax quartet a few years ago. We meet almost every week and even have gigs now and then. We have over a hundred charts in our book now, quite a few we arranged ourselves. It's a blast. I highly recommend it.

We're all adults and practice safe sax.
 

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Competing is not a bad idea. I compete in several amateur piano competitions. It is a way for me to force myself to practice diligently and smartly. In addition, it also makes me keep taking a lesson. Without taking lesson people at my level will not improve consistently. When I just joined this adult piano group, I was more at the bottom level of the group. Most the members do not take lesson and afraid of entering competition (for any reason), I am the few one who keeps competing and taking lesson. Now, after 7 years, I am the best pianist among those original people who joined the group. Therefore, I am a big proponent of performing infront of people, taking lesson, and competing. Once I can play Saxophone well enough, I will form an amateur Saxophone group like what I did with piano. I am guessing it will be more difficult to form. Because it will be less people playing Saxophone seriously. There are so many serious adult pianists.

This coming Dec, I will perform at my teacher's 1st student recital. I forced him to do student recital. Of course, I helped to organize the event. It appears most of Saxophone teachers are also not into having student recitals. It is not like piano teachers who are usually very into having student recitals. Most Saxophone teachers are males, and to be honest, males are usually lazy to organize thing. I am not surprised about this.
 

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Competing is not a bad idea. I compete in several amateur piano competitions. It is a way for me to force myself to practice diligently and smartly. In addition, it also makes me keep taking a lesson. Without taking lesson people at my level will not improve consistently. When I just joined this adult piano group, I was more at the bottom level of the group. Most the members do not take lesson and afraid of entering competition (for any reason), I am the few one who keeps competing and taking lesson. Now, after 7 years, I am the best pianist among those original people who joined the group. Therefore, I am a big proponent of performing infront of people, taking lesson, and competing. Once, I can play Saxophone well enough, I will form an amateur Saxophone group like what I did with piano. I am guessing it will be more difficult to form. Because it will be less people playing Saxophone seriously. There are so many serious adult pianists.

This coming Dec, I will perform at my teacher's 1st student recital. I forced him to do student recital. Of course, I helped to organize the event. It appears most of Saxophone teachers are also not into having student recitals. It is not like piano teachers who are usually very into having student recitals. Most Saxophone teachers are males, and to be honest, males are usually lazy to organize thing. I am not surprised about this.
Gee, the more you post how about how wonderful you are, and how wonderful others are not, I feel less inclined to be interested in what you have to say.

OK, so you are a big fish in a small pond of piano players that choose to compete. Next?

Whatever is wrong with playing for the sake of the music? For being the best YOU can be, regardless of the "competition"?

Judge yourself by YOUR progress, rather than than that of the person next to you. Sure, you can be better than them, but can you be better than YOU?
 

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Gee, the more you post how about how wonderful you are, and how wonderful others are not, I feel less inclined to be interested in what you have to say.

OK, so you are a big fish in a small pond of piano players that choose to compete. Next?

Whatever is wrong with playing for the sake of the music? For being the best YOU can be, regardless of the "competition"?

Judge yourself by YOUR progress, rather than than that of the person next to you. Sure, you can be better than them, but can you be better than YOU?
In the amateur piano world, there are people like you Dr. G who are not into competition. Competing is not an easy thing, not everybody is able to play well under pressure. For me, the challange is to be able to play well under competition setup. I feel I achieve something if I can play well under that situation. Playing in my own living room is a good thing, but not challenging enough for me. If you are not into this thing, you do not need to put down others who enjoy competing as a vehicle to get better. It took me about 3 years to be able to play without anxiety in front of people, and after every recital I learned something new to correct my mistakes. Therefore, I try to find amateur competition for Sax or Sax group where we can perform for each other, for this way works for me with piano.
 

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In the amateur piano world, there are people like you Dr. G who are not into competition. Competing is not an easy thing, not everybody is able to play well under pressure. For me, the challange is to be able to play well under competition setup. I feel I achieve something if I can play well under that situation. Playing in my own living room is a good thing, but not challenging enough for me. If you are not into this thing, you do not need to put down others who enjoy competing as a vehicle to get better. It took me about 3 years to be able to play without anxiety in front of people, and after every recital I learned something new to correct my mistakes. Therefore, I try to find amateur competition for Sax or Sax group where we can perform for each other, for this way works for me with piano.
If you want to know how well you perform under real pressure, why don't you try and get a real gig? :)

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