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hi.guys.
i am interesting Keilwerth SX90R 75'th anniversary edition tenor.
but i can't sure that it's solid silver or plated silver.
keilwerth.com had closed .

and other question .
how about the sound ?what's different withkeilwerth sx90r black nickel tenor?
thank you !
 

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It's got a silver plated brass bell. I've never played one, so can't comment on the sound.
 

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how about neck?also plated?
Actually, I believe it has a sterling neck, or maybe at least an option of one. I had one in my possession for a few weeks when they first came out. It had a sterling neck. I believe the bell was plated if I recall correctly.

As for playing, I can compare it to a Shadow, which I own. The Anniv. horn was darker and a bit less focused sounding/feeling. I couldn't get as much projection out of it as my shadow. But it was a warmer sound, which might appeal more to some. It had kind of a fuzzy top end to it. Again, not a complaint, just a observation. All that said, I felt the set-up was much too low for my taste. Actually, most (not all) new saxes fall into that category for me. I didn't want to have the horn opened up since I was just evaluating it.

Hope that helps.
 

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I know the newer Silverstar models had the sterling neck. I had used the search function to check(because I hadn't even thought about those models in quite a while)and found one that stated the 75th models had plated necks.
 

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Oops, my bad Joe. I was confusing the 75th anniversary with the Silver Star. Sorry:)
I kind of figured that because I remembered reading that you had compared the Silverstar tenor to the Shadow and preferred the Shadow. Since you have been my favorite smooth jazz tenor player for years I'm thinking no apology necessary:).......
 

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What about the difference between the black with gold keys and Shadow? Aside from the fact that Shadow is considerably more expensive ....

Could it be that the main difference is between single Keilwerth horns, not between types / finishes?
 

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What about the difference between the black with gold keys and Shadow? Aside from the fact that Shadow is considerably more expensive ....

Could it be that the main difference is between single Keilwerth horns, not between types / finishes?
The Shadow model has a body made of nickel silver (not just a nickel plated finish) and the keywork has been designed to be more ergonomic (more "Selmer-style" and hence easier for people with smaller hands). I think that it is the same body tube design, but maybe someone can confirm that ?

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I've played quite a few JKs over the last few years. Old, new, Nickel, Nickel body and NIckel Plated, Brass body nickel plated, and non plated. They all vary from horn to horn no doubt. Especially necks. I've not played any 2 necks that were even close. The pitch center on each neck can vary by as much as a 1/2" on each neck. I'm talking the position of the mpc when in tune.

My observation is that the nickel saxes (Nickel and Shadow) play different then the brass horns. They respond different and sound different. There is a certain zing to the nickel silver horns. Even when I put the same neck on the brass horn as the nickel, it just didn't have the same response. I know that goes against the beliefs of some here at SOTW.

I did find that the horns did play pretty consistent, in spite of some visual differences. I had a back-up shadow for a while that was a good 1/4" longer (body tube) then my main horn. They both played great. Different, but great.
 

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Good advice for me that definitely replace my S80 II with a Keilwert within a couple months. Thank you!
It may seem like a brass saxophone could be most suitable to standard jazz. While Nickel and Shadow is best for people like me who play most pop / rock / funk.
 

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I remember every nickel plated JK tenor I had had a BUZZ to the sound that the brass tenors did not have. The nickel plated altos did not have the buzz though. I don't seem to remember my Shadow tenor having the same buzz, but my memory isn't what it used to be. So many saxes, so few brain cells left:shaking2:!
 

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I remember every nickel plated JK tenor I had had a BUZZ to the sound that the brass tenors did not have.
I agree with that. There is a fuzziness (some would say buzz) in the top end to the brass then black nickel plated JKs I've played. I played a prototype un lacquered brass horn that didn't have that fuzz in the tone. Pure core sound to me. Not my style though. There is very much a noticeable metallic zing to the Shadows. I think it is what drew me to the horn in the first place. My sound man really noticed as well when I made the switch from my selmers.

You know Joe, if you were on the January cruise you could check out my horn and refresh your memory. But no, you had to jump ship to Koz!
 

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I agree with that. There is a fuzziness (some would say buzz) in the top end to the brass then black nickel plated JKs I've played. I played a prototype un lacquered brass horn that didn't have that fuzz in the tone. Pure core sound to me. Not my style though. There is very much a noticeable metallic zing to the Shadows. I think it is what drew me to the horn in the first place. My sound man really noticed as well when I made the switch from my selmers.

You know Joe, if you were on the January cruise you could check out my horn and refresh your memory. But no, you had to jump ship to Koz!
Well Woody, I appreciate your very kind offer, but you weren't heading to Alaska, so I had no choice! The wife and I swore that if they ever started a smooth jazz cruise to Alaska again, we HAD to be on it. So, as soon as I heard from Mindi Abair that it was happening, we signed up. After all, it was on our bucket list. But I'm hoping that in three years we will be able to join you on another cruise for our 30th anniversary, God willing. Hopefully we will all still be alive and well, and the economy will have improved. After I let Gregg Karukas know about the Alaska cruise he signed on as musical director, so it will be a real treat for us. Not to mention Kirk Whalum and Warren Hill will be there. I'll resist the urge to send you a "wish you were here" postcard with a glaciar or polar bear on it!
 

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I here ya Joe. Alaska is b-e-a-utiful. I've been there a few times. A couple in the summer where the mosquitos were big enough to carry a small baby off and once when there was a moose walking down the street and the cars all just stopped to let him pass. Salmon fishing is on my bucket list. I know you'll enjoy the trip. And yes, I do wish I was going.
 

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Thanks for the tip on the squitos! I'll bring some OFF along. I don't want to repel the moosers:reindeer: though.....I'm a member of our local lodge.....
 
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