I have not seen an old keilwerth stencil with that kind of posts..I still think its a Keilwerth stencil, because keilwerth were notorious for copying the conn basic design. I have only seen that high E trill key or whatever its called on Keilwerth and Hohner saxes (Richard Keilwerth). Also that right hand pinky cluster is very Keilwerth. Also the forked Eb that was not usually found on French horns is often seen on the Keilwerth horns.
This is a Keilwerth, and look at the key setup and shape of the right hand pinky keys compared to the OP pics.
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It will be nice to find out what it turns out to be.
It just says: Graslitz C.S.R.The link for that picture and others of that horn is below....The horn actually has Keilwerth engraved on the bell along with some other words in German that I cant read.
http://www.saxpics.com/?v=gal&a=2001
Actually, Hohner Presidents were built by the other brother, Max Keilwerth.I have only seen that high E trill key or whatever its called on Keilwerth and Hohner saxes (Richard Keilwerth).
It will be nice to find out what it turns out to be.
Could this be a pre Model 22 Selmer stencil?First: this is very fine old sax, but perhaps not that old since the left hand pinky spatulla is reminiscent of 50's to 60's saxes. It seems to have a G trill key and a high F# key that is an extension of the right hand index finger exactly as my JK Toneking of early 60s. Oth it has decorated bell elbow to body rings very similar to the Selmer saxes. Very puzzling.
Nice catch!
Yep, Rene Guenot... check this one outI finally found the photos of the Rene Guenot soprano, aren´t very good ones, specially the one of the pinky cluster (too small), but in the other one you can see how the Rene Guenot soprano share exactly the same forged palm key design with this mistery horn. http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af204/lepoisondargent/reneguenot1.jpg
The pinky cluster also has the same design, but it´s difficult to see because of the photo size. http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af204/lepoisondargent/reneguenot.jpg
The Rene Guenot soprano had the words "Modele 1928" engraved on it, soldered tone holes and a thumb ring like the Conn sopranos.
Sadly I don´t have more info, but I think this alto is a Rene Guenot circa 1935 (+/- 5 years).
That was the first thought which jumped into my head, too...in my opinion, nothing like a German or Bohemian horn and everything looks very French to me (look at the key guards!)
I think they solved the mystery!!!That was the first thought which jumped into my head, too...
I am not seeing Keilwerth because they didn't have a bell-flair like this Mystery Horn. Also, Keilwerths didn't have a swooping bellbrace like that with such an interesting oval escutcheon (aka 'foot'). I have a pair of Max Keilwerth horns, old ones, opposite-bellkey ones, plated. They do not have the attributes of this horn, in either the key touches, general bell shape, bell brace, of keyguard design...
I would hazard to say it is pre-'40's really. Damn, it's a good stumper, though.....but I gotta give the thumbs-up to XAX & ElectricFigue here, they called it: Guenot.
Not so much the first thread Xax linked to, but the second link, the ad...look at the pic of the left side of the Guenot horn and compare it to the OP's pic of the left side. Look at the bellkey guard, and the swooping wire guard on the Eb key...and the bell brace.
Rene Guenot. Almost the same damn horn as the OP's....looked tres French, oui ????
Interesting, because I have a Rene Guinot (it really is an "i" not an "e") and it doesn't particularly look like this horn.
Case closed.I think they solved the mystery!!!
Found this YouTube of a Rene Guenot alto in action.Thanks to all of you ! It's defenitly a Rene Guenot.
I will now give it to my preferred saxdoc and let him make it as new. It's really a players horn. And for my repadding practice I am going to look for another cheap sax !