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I just wanted to check with everyone else out there to see if anybody has had a similar experience.

Not too long ago, I began to work more seriously on my intonation, and had discovered that my 82z alto, had split octaves....(lower flat and higher sharp) i was using a Rousseau 3R and a vandoren 3.5 or so. they were also split with my jazz piece (meyer metal 8j) but less so. we also check this with another player and my teacher playing the horn with my set-up and the same issue was there!! this problem only really occured in the middle register area, but it was a problem none the less. So, my proffesor contacted someone he knows that works closely with the horns, and he said that there was an issue witht he necks that came with the 82z's, and that until yamaha comes out with a replacement i should use the neck from my old 23. Well lo and behold it worked quite well. I was mostly satisfied but i miss the way the regular neck blows. I began looking on the internet (here included) and found that many people had commented on this. Some said things about serial numbers startig with "C" and there were debates about whether or not there was a problem with the necks. So i emailed Yamaha itself to see what they had to say, mostly out of curiosity. What they told me was that the horn tended to go sharp the higher you play, (Well no [email protected]*t just about anything goes sharp as it plays higher) I then got another email from one of yamaha's tech people who said that there WAS a problem with older 82z TENOR necks but not the altos. and he told me to take my horn to a repair tech and to make sure my neck was clean, and to have someone elso hold a tuner and check my notes because i would "blow naturaly" and not watch the tuner.

Ok now i may very well be a student but im not stupid, i think that between myself and my teacher im pretty sure that we would have thought of those things. And frankly i feel a little insulted that these customer support people would just brush us off and basically call me an inferior player, and assume that i would not investigate problems with my horn. Now i would not be upset much at all, if they would have actually addressed my problem, and not treated me like a fool. I feel that if I pay a few thousand dollars for an intsrument from a major company that i should get better customer support and that they would admit to a problem and at least give me some real solutions rather than taking care of my horn like i wouldnt normaly do that.
 

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I experienced that when I played an 82ZUL alto. Many others have, too.

These horns are a blemish to Yamaha's otherwise excellent reputation for making reliable horns with a decent sound and great intonation.

Some people have good experience with them. I'd never buy one without a trial period.

FWIW, Selmer Series III altos are sketchy, too. Have to try those before dropping the dime.
 

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Maybe i should add that I have had the horn for 3-4 years now, got it as a freshman now a senior. I tried everything that was available Selmer series II and III, JK, and yamaha. i took my horn on a week trial period before i bought it. they way i was playing then (or the way i was hearing then) the horn was mostly fine. And even now i can adjust to make the horn be intune, but i shouldnt have to do that too much. maybe i should clarify that im not really dissapointed with the instrument as i am with the company right now.
 

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What are you doing differently now than before? Sounds like it seemed to be working for you and no no longer?
 

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ive grown as a player and i now am more aware of my body embochour etc. as i play, i am more aware of when i adjust and how much. that sort of thing. so i guess that now i actually know how much i adjust where and when.
(i hope that makes sense)
 

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I went through this with my 82Z alto a while back and Mike Lutely with Yamaha replaced the neck, no charge, with another G1 Custom neck and that corrected the intonation problem. It was the neck causing the problem so you're not dreaming. His service was excellent. Since then, the Yamaha Pro Shop in Grand Rapid closed this particular division and relocated.

I would simply ask for a replacement neck when speaking to Yamaha Customer Service.
 

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I had a similar problem with a new YTS 82Z UL. With the new neck. With a replacement for the new neck. The horn was a quarter-tone sharp in the upper register. Other experienced players had the same problem with this horn. It played in tune with a YTS 23 neck, but the tone was thin. Yamaha and the store wouldn't address the problem. They said it was the player.

I finally solved the problem. I sold the 82Z and bought a mark vi and never looked back. In my opinion, the 82Z is a pile of plumbing junk, nothing more, and the folks who make it and sell it are unwilling to support their customer base. That was my last Yamaha product and my last purchase from that store.
 

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saxguy82z said:
ive grown as a player and i now am more aware of my body embochour etc. as i play, i am more aware of when i adjust and how much. that sort of thing. so i guess that now i actually know how much i adjust where and when.
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When I moved from my good 'ol Bundy II alto that I had been playing forever to professional level horns, I had to kick some bad habits and shift others around.

I'm a lousy golfer, but I think learning a good embouchure is like developing a good golf swing. You can eventually get the wrong swing to work for you, but you reach a point where you can't shave any more points off your game without doing something fundamentally different - and that required medicine may mess things up for a while.

You may find a way to adapt to what you are experiencing, but the history on the 82Z is that intonation problems are not necessarily the fault of the player.
 

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I know that many have posted here about the 82z and intonation issues. It seems to be accepted that there were some issues with the necks on early models. These problems have allegedly been sorted out on the newer examples.

There are also many on this forum who report that they are ecstatic with the 82z.

I have an 82z tenor. I'm new to tenor having been an alto guy until very recently so I accept that my experiences with the 82z are not as well qualified as many of the other guys here. My experience so far is that I haven't had any intonation problems with the horn but it is very sensitive to embouchure changes. What I mean is that the horn itself seems in tune but any squeeze on the embouchure is easily heard and translated to a change in tuning. I need to make sure I keep my embouchure stable.

Not so long ago I had a problem with my alto (NOT an 82z) going sharp on the higher notes. I was a bit offended when my band director suggested it was an embouchure problem but he was right on the money. Turned out I had changed to a new mouthpiece which was very good, but far less forgiving than the old one.

Sometimes we (I) have to go back to basics and build from there.

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Two things jump out to me.

- First, everything the Yamaha representatives told you was true.
- Second, by your saying, "i think that between myself and my teacher im pretty sure that we would have thought of those things", it seems to me that you did not give the Yamaha representatives full information about what you tried and what your background is. How are they to know? Normally, any tech-support service is going to start with the basics. It's a two-way street.

Now about the Z's- I've played three tenors, owning two of them, and one alto. I am having some problems with my present Z but I believe that's simply a problem that it needs a good going over by a tech. In any case, intonation on none of them was/is an issue.

An experience I'll share. When I first got my former Lady Face alto, "it" played very sharp in the high register. By the time I sold it later, "it" played very in tune. :D

An another note, it's unfortunate that Al had a bad experience. He's more experienced than I and I would not question the veracity of his experience. But I will say that experiences can vary and that neither my Z tenors nor the alto I played last year were/are junk.
 

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I think Gary's made some good observations. Of course you and your teacher would have thought to make sure that your neck is clean and everything's in working order, but customer support people have to be prepared to deal with the lowest common denominator of player, because that will probably be the majority of their clientele.

I've tried many an 82z for both alto and tenor and have been universally impressed. I'm strongly considering eventually selling my Mark VI, buying a Z, and putting a few grand in the bank; a friend of mine did that and has no regrets, and he sounds absolutely amazing (Isaac Lamar, check him out if you ever come through NT). I'm grateful for the occasional negative review, however, gotta get every angle you can on a story.
 

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If you PM me your serial number, I can check it to see if it is one with the incorrect neck. I have a chart from Yamaha about the issues, and what serial ranges it effected.

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any reason this serial number list can't be posted publicly? Would be good to have as a sticky in the Yamaha threads...
 

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I can't stand all the propaganda touting "Practice this!" and "Embouchure that!"

We all know the problem is in the gear.

Do I need to put a smiley here now?
 

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EZ-

Good idea. Ill get in touch with the Mods. I just didn't want the guy to spell out his entire SN publicly...

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And for my own personal .02, its a saxophone. An imperfect instrument. The high end plays sharp, the low end plays low. Just gotta work around it :)

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Al Stevens said:
I had a similar problem with a new YTS 82Z UL. With the new neck. With a replacement for the new neck. The horn was a quarter-tone sharp in the upper register. Other experienced players had the same problem with this horn. It played in tune with a YTS 23 neck, but the tone was thin. Yamaha and the store wouldn't address the problem. They said it was the player.

I finally solved the problem. I sold the 82Z and bought a mark vi and never looked back. In my opinion, the 82Z is a pile of plumbing junk, nothing more, and the folks who make it and sell it are unwilling to support their customer base. That was my last Yamaha product and my last purchase from that store.
Yes when I saw Phil Woods he just sounded horrid on that piece of junk. I've played many more Selmer VI that had problems then I have Yamahas that's for sure. Having said that you can always get stuck with a lemon. All the 82Z I have played are in tune spot on.
 

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Yes when I saw Phil Woods he just sounded horrid on that piece of junk.
On what, his Yamaha? That's interesting because I've seen him twice with a YAS 82 Z UL and both times he sounded great. Where and when did you hear him sounding horrid?
 
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