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Can anyone tell me the details of the famous brecker brothers NYC jazz club in the 70's
7th Ave South?
How did the brothers afford a jazz club? Not from touring with Horace Silver ... were they loaded? Rich family?
And what led to it's demise? Poorly run? No business accumen? Snorted it up their noses? Any details would be great ... thanks
 

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Can anyone tell me the details of the famous brecker brothers NYC jazz club in the 70's
7th Ave South?
How did the brothers afford a jazz club? Not from touring with Horace Silver ... were they loaded? Rich family?
And what led to it's demise? Poorly run? No business accumen? Snorted it up their noses? Any details would be great ... thanks

From what the National Inquire reported in their jazz column the club was bank rolled by Ayn Rand!!
She's a modern day Baroness Pannonicaski La' Koenigslager. She knew about how hard jazz was and that the music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, no matter even if you can play rhythm changes in all the keys and have a 4 star Link.

Now, the kicker is Rand might of been involved with one of the famed skunk funk bros. but she also bank rolled a private club for Johnny Griffin, that only tenor players
could go to, to battle called " Griffs Groove" in the lower East Side of Paris.A private club, from what I heard from a guy who heard from Frank Wright. Ayn Rand was deep into the funk and met Mike and Randy on a George Clinton record date
that sadly never came out due to legal problems with oppressive bureaucratic functionaries and of course a culture < I'm telling you something you already know> that embraces stifling mediocrity and egalitarianism, which associates with socialistic idealism. Jazz don't get no respect, neither does Post-fusion-retro swing. But I regress........[rolleyes]

There was also an affair with Rand and Otto Links son years before- I think she had what was left of the WT Links by accident of course, she was holding out for Ebay. Maybe she still got em' ??!!

What killed the club was another affair with a writer she loved, Hunter S. Thompson. After that, well your guess is as good as mine. There's also a negative side, fact or fiction I dunno ;)
 

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That spot was a blast ..great music all the time. You could see Jaco Pastoriuous hanging with Ed Bradley. It was a venue that fell out due to the hard times jazz fell on for a period of time. Of course the Brothers played their and the sounds were special.
 

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Sorry I read Tim's post really quickly ... the national Inquirer ... it was really UFO's that led to the clubs failure ... c'mon, what was the deal with club? Anyone? Just couldn't make a go of it? Everyone has a story of how amazing it was and that the scene was awesome ... why such a quick demise? Musicians not hospitality business owners? Just looking for insights ... if Tim was to come accross a large sum of $$$ and wanted to open a club, what could he learn from that story?
 

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Sorry I read Tim's post really quickly ... the national Inquirer ... it was really UFO's that led to the clubs failure ... c'mon, what was the deal with club? Anyone? Just couldn't make a go of it? Everyone has a story of how amazing it was and that the scene was awesome ... why such a quick demise? Musicians not hospitality business owners? Just looking for insights ... if Tim was to come accross a large sum of $$$ and wanted to open a club, what could he learn from that story?
JOHH....Glad ya gotta sense of humor too. I was wondering if you picked the John Gault- Ann Rand connect I hit on for your reading amusement. Just having some fun too- No UFO's in NYC though. . to many car jackings and a UFO is sooooooo fly.:bluewink: haha- Ok. :mrgreen:

ON THE REAL- What I can offer is...NYC is a bear to deal with in real estate/ public codes and also all that NON music. I heard the lease ran out and the biz was falling off. If a real estate broker has an interest in selling/rent to a huge corporate thing be itl a chain of garages, housing and so on, a jazz club will get stomped on.:cry: Case in point- SWEET BASIL which was SWEET RHYTHM which is gone now. Stuff comes and goes, the larger citys like NYC or LA. Money talks. That IS what I learned....and it goes city wide John.

7th Ave South...was a great place. I heard guys there like Teru Nakimura with Steve Grossman. Sanborn sitting in after midnight with Al Foster. Also tenor battles with Junior Cook and Sal Nistico. I also sadly think of the guys long gone that I dreamed of playing with like trumpeter Mike Lawrence. I felt is was great money wise too and they were booking stuff OTHER PLACES were not.

John- at this point. So many spots in NYC are door gigs unless you are doing Lincoln Center in the main room. If you want the late set- count on 200 for a 4 piece band and also trying to play phone tag for a few months, even if you are a person with status. Just the way it is, no more no less. Supply and demand. If it's not a door gig, you are looking at under a 100 bucks for a gig.

NOW- From there I don;t know what to say. Reality. For me, I'll go down with the ship. I do gigs with bands I like, I want to play it's that simple. My choice. And on that note I think that's something even the biggest name guys face too.

Anyhow hope this helps a tad.
 

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~ In thinking of the7th Ave S thing...I always think of the location of that club. There's something I wonder if _MOST_think of. That area, when I walk in NYC. Which I love to do BTW, I walk thru that part and realize that the ease of finding the club was a no brainier. I never got hassled for drinks, or sitting alone or the things that a few newer NYC clubs are so known for. The vibe was...LISTENING. But also a way different era! Way different, in many aspects. No internet, the club was attended on a day to day basis. I rem' even rehearsing there with a 9 piece band of a friends in the mid-afternoon before they opened. ( Michael used to be in this nonette and that's how that happened)

BUT LOCATION. That was a key factor, and something I note, even with a place as basic as Gerald Veaslys Jazz Base, tho it is in an older Sheraton one a week, it's got parking/lots of parking etc.

Aside of the great music of 7th Ave South...one thing was access. Funny how you remember that kinda stuff.

OK- Here's another club- from " the day". Shelly continued to insist that the help not hustle the patrons for drinks. IMAGINE THAT !
Though LA..it was a place that I'm sure had the " same problems".
 

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Can anyone tell me the details of the famous brecker brothers NYC jazz club in the 70's
7th Ave South?
How did the brothers afford a jazz club? Not from touring with Horace Silver ... were they loaded? Rich family?
And what led to it's demise? Poorly run? No business accumen? Snorted it up their noses? Any details would be great ... thanks
The Brecker Brothers were very successful musicians. They did a good deal of studio work when that kind of thing was going on in NYC.
 

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I sure did hear a lot of great music there. It is hard to make a club "musician-friendly" and still make money, but you could hang downstairs and listen for the price of a drink.

I never forget hearing Brecker, Don Grolnick, Will Lee and Billy Cobham playing there.
The "nose" comment might have been part of the problem. The 80's in NY was definitely the "coke era".
 

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I think it closed around 1982 or so. Mike B. alluded to the fact in interviews, that, since they weren't very involved in the day-to-day, hands-on, running of the place, they sorta got robbed blind by the people running it.
I also have a theory, that the closing perhaps had something to do with Mike's joining the "program" & commitment to sobriety, which happened during that same time period, I think.
 

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I saw Steps (or some version of that group) with Jaco there in 1985.
 

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My buddy Manny said he was over at Brecker's apt. (Loft?) to tune his piano, and that at the time Brecker said he was broke because 7th Ave. South just went out of business and there were tons of bills. So Brecker begged him for a break on the price of the tuneup.
 

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I went there and really enjoyed the vibe and people that went as fans plus you could nurse your drink if you wanted. out of the many gigs i enjoyed one stands out really with Archie Shepp blazing on the tenor sax.
 
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