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Alto
User ID: 0032624
Jul 2nd 10:55 AM
I have a Meyer M5 Medium Chamber MP for my Yana A-901 & Java No. 2 reed. It's nice but difficult to get higher notes (from High E to F#). I also tried Jumbo Java A55 but the tip opening is too large for me. A45 is not available in my area.

If I want a small chamber, good response for high note, bright but a bit soft & rich tone (Jumbo Java's sound is too dry & crunchy) BUT smaller tip opening size. What is your suggestion? Doesn't matter HR or metal MP. I think Tip opening size = 70 to 75 is work for me. What about a Beechler or Dukoff metal #5?
MojoBari
User ID: 1320554
Jul 2nd 11:04 AM
Try a 2.5-3 reed.
stevew
User ID: 8868883
Jul 2nd 11:10 AM
Vandoren V5 series.
Alto
User ID: 0032624
Jul 2nd 11:33 AM
MojoBari,
I tried 2.5 reed, it's very hard to get high note because it's more hard. Am I correct?


stevew,
I think V5 is for Tenor.


Roger Aldridge
User ID: 0735934
Jul 2nd 12:09 PM
Alto,

Could you describe the difficulty in getting the high notes? Also, could you tell us how long you've been playing saxophone?

You know, sometimes we jump to the conclusion that the problem is with our equipment. However, we first need to examime our playing to determine if we're doing something that could be the source of the problem. Never the less, I agree with MojoBari. A #2 Java might be a bit soft on a Meyer 5.

Sometimes newer players tend to bite down on the reed or close their throats when getting into the palm key range. If this is happening, relax more. In addition, there is an adjustment that the throat and tongue make in the different parts of the saxophone range. It helps to have a saxophone teacher explain this and show how it works.

It also occurs to me that you might need to give the high notes better breath support. Are you "blowing" or pushing the air? They are not the same. Blowing is more from the upper chest. Pushing is supporting the column of air from the lower belly. Pushing is the thing to do. This is how we get a strong, vibrant, sound.

If you are not a fairly new saxophone student please forgive me. This was my impression from your two messages.
soprano player
User ID: 8290473
Jul 2nd 2:20 PM
Alto,
I think you are just putting too much lip on the reed. Next time try rolling less lip over your teeth and play the palm key notes.
Brice B.
User ID: 9412633
Jul 2nd 4:58 PM
your problem up high is too soft a reed. You should not be playing anything softer than a 3 on that mouthpiece. If you want a small chamber, the Meyer small chambers are quite nice. Easier to control, and brighter. Try a 6 facing.
super20dan
User ID: 0255034
Jul 2nd 5:54 PM
i dont recommend the dukoff for alto in any facing smaller than 7 .squeaks will abound. the baffel is too close to the reed on the smaller sizes. runyon x.l. is my recommendation .gives a bright sound and the small tip sizes work very well. mine is a 5. very easy playing and is my choice for lead alto playing and small electric combo work
stevew
User ID: 9983153
Jul 3rd 1:42 AM
V5 series are available for sop, alto, tenor, bari. I have them. Try an A35 - though they also make that facing in V5 jazz, java, jumbo java, so ensure you get the V5 one.
Alto
User ID: 8666863
Jul 3rd 4:40 AM
I start this for 4 months! I tried 2.5 & 3 reed, very difficult.
I just think it doesn't matter how long I'm playing sax to get a high note. Remember what I said: when I use Jumbo Java A55 or even the original Yana HR #7 MP come with my horn, easy to get high notes (Left hand side key for D to F#). I just want to but a new MP more easy have better response on these notes.

I can't buy a Meyer small chamber MP. Even MP Heaven replied to me it is not available. Where can I order this in internet?

super20dan,
Your Dukoff sound is not dry? Have you compare your Duk-off with Beechler? Which one you like? I think their sound should be similar.
WG
User ID: 0234554
Jul 3rd 12:25 PM
Sounds like you need an MC Gregory 4A18 or 4A18.
WG
User ID: 0234554
Jul 3rd 12:26 PM
Make that....4A16 or 4A18
toot suite
User ID: 0582664
Jul 3rd 2:14 PM
......entrance, stage right.....I happen to have an MC Gregory Master Hollywood in the smaller chamber (4A/16) in excellent condition. No tooth marks, tip, table, and rails are clean as a whistle. First $175 gets it. [email protected]
super20dan
User ID: 0255034
Jul 3rd 4:41 PM
never played a metal beechler. if you are a beginer i dont recommend a dukoff . these take a fair amount of skill to play.
Alto
User ID: 8666863
Jul 3rd 9:27 PM
WG, toot suite,

I think I'm interested in MC Gregory's small chamber - 4A/16 MP. It's not cheap, man & I need some information before place an order.

Do you know what tip openong size for this 4A/16 (60, 65, 70, 75, 80,...etc)? I want a little bit smaller tip opening version, let say 65 to 75.




jd
User ID: 8185963
Jul 3rd 10:45 PM
hey dan ,i sometimes use a dukoff 5 and 6 d for alto when im not on the meyer small chamber. no squeaks .plays beautifully.its all individual. if this guys been playing 4 months,he needs practice and experience. not a wide open piece like a .085 alto. i concur with brice. a small chambered meyer is a great sounding easy piece to play. takes years to build an embouchure and control tone and intonation on sax.
Alto
User ID: 8666863
Jul 4th 3:09 AM
id,

First, I'm interested what alto & reed you use for your Dukoff? And, what music usually you play?

I also want to buy a Meyer small chamber MP but I can't find it as mentioned before. Even MP Heaven is not available.

Mine Yana #7 (90) & Jumbo Java A55 (95) is very large tip opening face. So, you can imagine how pianful I was when start to learn sax.

The only choice for me to get a small chamber but smaller tip opening MP (70 to 75) is just Beechler (#5, 70) & Dukoff (D5 - 71).

In order to compare more easy to play (just talking about air support), do you think a Dukoff D5 is more easy than Beechler #5 because tip open facing is smaller?
jd
User ID: 8185963
Jul 4th 6:15 AM
alto,yes the beechler metal 5 is a lot harder to play than the dukoff 5d. i have both. i use fibercells on the dukoff and sometimes use a rovner dark lig with it or just the standard lig. ive used the dukoffs 5 and 6 d for years but recently switched to a meyer small chamber.the one i play has been refaced but i have another small chamber 5 straight from brasswinds that plays fabulous as well. the easist alto pieces to play have been the meyer small chamber and the dukoff d5. i use both pieces for all styles of music. jazz,blues fusion. for wedding gigs i have been going with the meyer.i use fibracells soft or med soft on both and have ended years of alto searching with these pieces.for tenor ive used dukoffs .i have a 6d that ive played for 25 years! still plays awsome! also i have the bigger brighter sounding 7d too.id like to try a small chamber meyer tenor .ive had about 5 ny meyer alto pieces and sold them because my new meyers just flat out outplayed them. i know that sounds like heresy here on the forum but i dont miss them at all.
jd
User ID: 8185963
Jul 4th 6:21 AM
ok alto just call the brasswinds and order a dukoff 5d ,a meyer small chamber 5 or 6 or anything you want to try, you can send them back if you dont like them, call 1 800 348 5003 they have tons of pieces for you to try.
Alto
User ID: 1864304
Jul 4th 11:17 AM
id,

Thanks for detailed information & share your valuable experience. Depends on the test on tehse MP, I think my first choice will be a Dukoff D5 then Beechler #5 come next. I think one advantage for me to use Dukoff is because I don't need to modify my cork. Beechler just too small. Dukoff is completely cover all the cork, the only thing I need to do for a Dukoff is just use some pipe tape. These 2 MP is available in my area, no need to order through internet.

By the way, I just bough a Fribracell No. 2.5 & a Bari Star reed (Soft) today. Bari require much more sir support than Fribracell although it is soft version. Initially I like Fribracell more, the sound is more thicker than Java, no saliva sound, quiet easy to handle although a bit more air is needed compare with Java No. 2. For Fribracell No. 2, the tone is more thin although more easy to play and less air is needed.

I don't know how's the sound like if I use this Fribracell on a Dukoff D5? Do you I can make good smooth Jazz/fusion sound (just ignore the studio mixing juice)? My favorite sax player is Eric Marienthal, he use Beechler but I guess his tone will more or less the same if he switch to a Dukoff. Agree with me?

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