Sax on the Web Forum Archive / Alto Saxophone / Conn Constellation

User ID: 6354283
May 12th 12:35 PM
I tried this question in the Conn area and got no response.

What is a fair price for a Conn Constellation (28m alto). The body is nearly perfect and the lacquer is excellent. However, the horn needs cleaning, new pads, doesn't play. The plastic keyguard is there but damaged (could probably be repaired).

The seller bought it for $50 and wants $2400 based on the saxgourmet website. In my view $2400 is for a perfect horn in playing condition, not needing repairs with the keyguard intact. The horn I'm writing about needs a complete refurbishing, but when done it would be perfect.
User ID: 8032783
May 12th 1:52 PM
that damn goodson sight-as helpful as it is-as a rough guideline,practically no person who uses it reads the intro where he plainly states the criteria on which he bases his figures.It says basically to fetch the estimated prices the horn should be like new.Offer the guy $100.00,he doubles his money and you'll be spending much more for restoration.
User ID: 6354283
May 12th 2:45 PM
Unfortunately, since the guy has seen the Goodson site, he thinks he has a horn worth a lot of money. He's been trying to sell it for months with no takers - however, I'm probably going to give up too since it's going to cost a bundle to restore the horn. Too bad, it's well worth restoring.
User ID: 1473814
May 12th 6:27 PM
What his name I will offer $151.
User ID: 2156654
May 12th 10:00 PM
$2400=price of horn after HE pays Steve Goodson's
price for total restoration.
For a fair price unrestored, remove restoration price, and another 30% for your having to take the
User ID: 0777594
May 14th 6:25 PM
My advice: find a real Connstellation for sale and use its price to determine the value of the horn you want. Also, you can call a couple of dealers for advice: Charles Fail and Gayle Fredenburgh.
Paul C.
User ID: 9050343
May 15th 10:27 AM
From Goodson's value guide:

"I have based my valuations upon the following assumptions: (1) the instrument is in perfect playing condition and needs nothing in terms of repair (2) the finish is original and completely intact (3) the original case is intact (4) the instrument has not been altered or modified from its original condition, having the correct style pads, springs, no neck pickups etc. Deduct for needed repairs and/or restoration to original condition. Relacquers are generally worth 25% less than 100% originals."

And for the Constellation 28M he says:

"Alto 28M $2400 plastic keyguard must be intact"

So, by the time you get that horn fixed up, and you will NEVER find a new keyguard for it, you will probably have $600-$1000 worth of work done on it. Then it MIGHT be worth $2000. So, the most you should pay for it would be $300-$400.

User ID: 6354283
May 15th 10:46 AM
Thanks for the info. I'm probably going to pass on this horn as the owner is probably never going to accept less than something close to $2000. (He doesn't play it, he has a music store - I guess he'll just keep it on the wall and keep telling people how valuable it is).
User ID: 1676554
May 15th 3:53 PM
I agree with Paul's assessment, if the horn requires work, subtratct the price of the work from the potential cost of the horn in perfect working condition. A horn that requires repairs isn't worth as much as a horn that is in good repair. A damaged plastic key guard could also be indicative of further problems with damage to the horn. Beware.
User ID: 9593383
May 15th 8:17 PM
The 28M can fetch a nice price but you do have to find that very special player. The horn is a very good one -- with a lot of unique features -- but it is "neither fish nor fowl." It's not dark-toned enough for your typical Conn aficionado and not enough like the 400, The Martin, et al to appeal to that segment of the market. It is in the awkward position of being too unique.