Jody Jazz DV NY vrs Barone Jazz Tenor - Page 2

**Dr G** · 11-13-2008, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by nitrosax

A good link is often the winner against even the best handmade mouthpieces...that is the magic of a link....

A good Link WAS a handmade mouthpiece. That is the magic of the person finishing the facing.

**LampLight** · 11-14-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nitrosax

A good link is often the winner against even the best handmade mouthpieces...that is the magic of a link....

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Originally Posted by Dr G

A good Link WAS a handmade mouthpiece. That is the magic of the person finishing the facing.

Speaking of which, if you're interested in a Barone Jazz, you really should at least consider trying a Morgan. No offense to Phil either: I owned a late model Jazz once and thought it was a fine quality mouthpiece. It is a dark Link, as some have said, and it offers some resistance, which you may prefer. Plus, you might even be able to get one of his remaining discounted Jazz models if you hurry.

The thing is that with JunkDude's current policy, you have a 10 day trial with the Morgan and it will cost you $10.00 + shipping to return it. About a week ago, Phil confirmed that he does returns for credit but not refunds. (He will work with you.)

I recently got a used Morgan 8EL (large chamber Excalibur) and it sure looks like a Link to me. It is similar to the Jazz in that it has a classic rollover baffle and large chamber. It's hand-finished extremely well and plays beautifully and with less resistance than the Jazz - not dark, but top notch.

kavala · 11-17-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kavala

I wasn't at all impressed with the Barone I tried.
My Link was far better.
Now the JJ DV NY outstrips the Link.

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Originally Posted by Dr G

What model Barone did you try and what didn't work?

Correction : I checked with my friend who lent me the Barone. I thought
his was the Jazz model. Seems I was wrong. Here is what he said...

"Is a modified blank. Not one of his high end mouthpieces.
Quite similar to a berg, which I’m not a big fan of, I find them overly bright."

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Originally Posted by Gary

That's an interesting comment since on almost all the comments I've read about JJs, one of their strengths are their altissimo.

That is not my experience.
The Link is easier for altissimo, although I find I am popping the notes
easier now on th JJ DV NY, now that I have played it more.

**gary** · 11-17-2008, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kavala

The Link is easier for altissimo, although I find I am popping the notes easier now on th JJ DV NY, now that I have played it more.

I meant the JJs in general, not specifically the DV NY.
Is your comment meaning JJs in general or the NY specifically?

**Dr G** · 11-17-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kavala

Correction : I checked with my friend who lent me the Barone. I thought
his was the Jazz model. Seems I was wrong. Here is what he said...

"Is a modified blank. Not one of his high end mouthpieces.
Quite similar to a berg, which I’m not a big fan of, I find them overly bright."

Thanks for following up on that. That 'piece sounds like the "Standard" that was a CNC 'piece - more like a good Berg rather than any familial relationship to the Link-based Barones (Jazz, Hollywood, New York - in my opinion).

kavala · 11-18-2008, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gary

I meant the JJs in general, not specifically the DV NY.
Is your comment meaning JJs in general or the NY specifically?

All of the JJ's (DV, ESP, DV NY), in my experience, while excellent for
altissimo, I still found these notes easier on the Link.

For me the notes just pop out and scream on my Link, but I have to be
more careful with the JJ's in order not to fluff the note. That may change
over time. I'm a bit lazy these days and haven't put a lot of practise
recently into the altissimo. But I can still pop high A's, C's, D's, F's etc
without too many bum notes.

Sonorous1 · 09-27-2009, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by nitrosax

A good link is often the winner against even the best handmade mouthpieces...that is the magic of a link....

I find the modern Otto Link "New Super Tone Master" bell metal mouthpieces to be hit and miss.
I play Tenor and Alto, both Selmer Ref' 54's. I had saved up enough dough to finally get some good metal for both, and play-tested a few. The DV's are great, for sure. I bought one for Tenor.
The Alto was a different story. Like I said, the DV is just great, but I checked out the Link, with a Rovner EDII ligature, and the thing just kills. I will not need anything else for Alto.
I went back and tried a few more Link pieces for both saxes, and they were not "all that" like this one specimen I bought.
The DV's are more consistent (I think), but they are a lot more money, so if you can choose from a number of links, play em' all, and you might strike gold... or at least, gold-plated bell metal!

bfoster64 · 09-27-2009, 08:13 PM

I love Morgans and I also love my Barone Jazz. The Jazz is actually growing on me each time I play it. I took Phil's advice and slapped an RJS 2H on it and it suddenly started sounding great--a very professional, saxy, jazzy sound with good body and projection and a minimum of edge.

I use harder reeds on my Morgans, and they are definitely edgier than the Jazz.

One of the things that I didn't like about the JJ DV I formerly owned was how long the facing curve was. It seemed to help in the low end but it made the altissimo really tough for me, and I usually have no trouble up there with any decent mouthpiece.

**GAS_Wyo** · 09-28-2009, 04:45 AM

The JJ DV NY 7* has become my number one piece also. Low resistance, easy to shape notes...I get my best sound out of it. After over 9 months of playing it's the best and final piece I will own. I've been buying pieces to try (including RPC's, Tenney Links, Morgans, Dukoffs, etc.) for the last 4 years...this is my longest love affair with a tenor piece. I'm not cheating on this latest love!

wdcraig1992 · 10-05-2009, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GAS_Wyo

The JJ DV NY 7* has become my number one piece also. Low resistance, easy to shape notes...I get my best sound out of it. After over 9 months of playing it's the best and final piece I will own. I've been buying pieces to try (including RPC's, Tenney Links, Morgans, Dukoffs, etc.) for the last 4 years...this is my longest love affair with a tenor piece. I'm not cheating on this latest love!

I'm going to have to concur with Greg, the JJ is simply stunning. It is, like his, my number one mouthpiece of choice for my tenor. I've had mine for ten months, and it has not let me down. Its free blowing, loud, and bright nature all contribute to this mouthpieces inherent beauty, tonality wise and aesthetically. Its loud enough to project across the football field on Friday nights, yet it is supple enough to contribute perfectly to the timbre needed for my small combo. The JJ is truly a must have.

Ojoscastanos · 10-29-2009, 04:00 PM

+1

Used JJ DV alto for 1yr 10mths. Muy excellente

MusicalCharities · 10-30-2009, 10:02 PM

FWIW, I was initially lulled by the free-blowing nature of the JJDVNY. Yes, it was relatively freeblowing, but after a while I realized that the sound was just so locked-in and inflexible, and that I could not put myself into the playing. I intially had praise for the mouthpiece and even felt strong about it when I wrote back JJ and complimented it, saying that "the mouthpiece was playing me as much as I am playing it". I intially thought this was a good thing, but in the end realized that it wasn't good to have the piece telling me what to do and what direction to go with the playing, when I had a very clear idea of what I wanted to be playing, feeling.

And to be hoenst, it wasn't altogether as dark as I was looking for. I'll have a barone jazz any day now, so we'll see.

divisi · 10-31-2009, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by hallkat

Hi all looking for a new mpc that has that old linkish Dukk Dexter sound ...deep rich full in the top end ..lush in the bottom and with good projection...easy blowin.....Tenor Metal...

Thanks Steve

I have played both of the mouthpieces you are asking about and the Barone is much closer. However, if I were you, I would definitely check out a Wanne Gaia. It is very "Dextery" and for my money the hands down winner.

Captain Beeflat · 11-02-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MM

How about throwing the Guardala Crescent into the comparison discussion? Thanks.

Or the SR technologies "Fusion".
I have a JJ DV & the Fusion has cleaner (& easier) altissimo with a more solid bottom end....also less expensive.

BBMozee · 11-13-2009, 06:05 PM

In my experience, the Barone Jazz is as good as it gets for getting close to Dexter (who played a metal Link of course). 'Trane and certainly Charles Lloyd (who actually plays a Jazz) come to mind as well. But the bottom line is that it's ME coming though the horn with it. Just sayin'...

Swingtone · 11-13-2009, 08:05 PM

Hasn't the context of this thread shifted somewhat with current events since it was started way back in early '07? I think the OP was probably asking for a comparison between Barone's old handmade Jazz models and the Jody Jazz DV NY, and not the CNC (machined) ones that Barone is now selling. Just something to keep in mind here as you're reading through these responses from close to three years ago...and as the handmade ones are going to be different, just as handmade Guardalas are different from CNC'd ones....

From my own experience, even when comparing the handmade Barones to the DV NY's I think the Jody Jazz win hands down. These are the best pro pieces being made today, with the possible exception of the Wanne pieces.

BTW I do distinctly recall Barone rolling out the machined versions of his mouthpieces sometime in '07--methinks the summer (which would have been after this thread started)--as it was a pretty big topic on here at the time (e.g., who exactly was finishing them, etc.).