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xax
09-18-2008, 05:33 AM
I was listening to a version of Avery Parrish's composition After Hours earlier this evening from a Roy Haynes, Phineas Newborn, Ray Brown 1958 release "We Three". As Newborn played all the expected choruses it occurred to me that this tune is kind of a remarkable Jazz or Blues standard in that the entire piano solo (7 or 8? choruses) is often (usually?) played nearly note for note. (Is it through writ?)
Any other Jazz or Blues solos come to mind as being "standards", so to say...and why are some but others not.

MoodyChem
09-18-2008, 05:51 AM
Even as a young player way back in the dark ages,
I noticed this too. Some of the first examples I remember
were the tenor sax and trumpet solos in Glenn Miller's
"In the Mood". Even today, I have heard those exact
same "solos" replayed verbatim as if the were God's gift
to music. I wonder if those musicians ever saw this,
and if they did what they thought of their creative
ad-libs becoming a written-in part. Curious............

shotgun
09-18-2008, 01:41 PM
I've read that sax players were supposed to know and execute Illinois Jacquet's "Flying Home" solo note-for-note in some of the old jump blues bands. I don't think it matters. Some pieces become "classics" and we play them like that because people want to hear them like that. There's plenty of space to stretch out on other tunes.

jicaino
09-19-2008, 06:43 AM
because of the hinge point they represent in the aesthetics at the time of that particular creation, or the great difficutlies in articulation and technique that the player had to had for performing that. Examples of that things are I.E. early solos on alto sax by stump evans, with slap tongued 32nd notes and such, sydney bechet's wild cat blues and such, Otto Hardwick (mind it's not Hodges! he was there but he didn't play that) Jubilee Stomp (with the early Duke Ellington's Orchestra, "the washingtonians") Coleman Hawkins and his revolutionary concepts after listening to Louie Armstrong while they were plaing at henderson's orchestra, Lester Young and his cool breath of different air while everyone was trying to sound like Hawk, and so on.

MyMartinTenor
09-24-2008, 07:35 PM
we play them like that because people want to hear them like that.

Agree 100% with this. That's why rock guitarists often play the same solos -- its not because the solo was such genius, but the audience wants to hear the consistency. Same with the tunes mentioned above ("in the mood" is a good example). The audience knows that solo, wants to hear it, and we play it to get hired again.