Saxgourmet, Model 6 tenor

[Randall]

*READ ME*
1.This thread is not about Steve Goodson, his past present or future. It is not about whether you like him or hate him.

It is about a horn, the Saxgourmet Model 6.

2.This thread is not about where the horn is made, or import issues.

I have long wanted to read an objective discussion of these horns here on the SOTW. I am going to attempt that.

Having said that,
I wanted to let you know that I got my hands on one of these tenors, and I just finished a 30 minute test play.

My impression of how it plays, at this point, is one of sheer awe. I am going to try out the horn this week in two venues and see how it performs.I also hope to A-B-C-D it this week with my main 3 tenors. ALL of these are killers.

I took the chance on it after hearing from Sarge at World Wide Sax how special this horn was. He wasn't exaggerating at all- at least as far as I can tell now.

I will go over the points I feel comfortable stating now. More on the playing of the horn as I get to know it more this week.

Finish
Absolutely perfect. The copper plating shows no imperfections and the color is uniform and simply gorgeous. The plating has a coat of clear laq over it, so cleaning will be easy. The pearls and thumb rest are abalone and flat, not concave. They feel solid without feeling slick. Engraving is plentiful (neck to inner bell) but tasteful. Not overblown, like I tend to order on my customized horns.

Ergos
This horn fits my hand better than any other tenor I have ever held. I suppose it is very VI -like, but the palm and side keys are perfectly placed. I mean perfectly. it comes with one of the SG thumb hooks, which I love and use on two of my other tenors. Left hand thumb rest is large, flat abalone rest. very comfortable too.

C# to D2
Smooooooth. Never experienced this smooth a transition. Wow.

Lower / Upper register
Very TH&C like. Easy to play, sounds both full and intonation seems spot on. I like it.

Power
This horn can take as much as I could give it....at least here at home. I will reserve further comments for after I have taken it to band rehearsal and played it on a gig. Right now...wow.

Sound
As far as I can tell now, I would describe this horn as somewhere between a TH&C and my Medusa. It liked the ballsiness of the sound immediately. Once again, I want to try several genres before I make many comments on the sound.

Build / Weight
The horn seems heavy, exactly as the comments I have already read. The weight is not an issue for me personally. Build seems very sturdy. I will take it to my tech for a good once-over, and get his opinion on it too.

Case
I Hiscox copy, through and through. Only down side is they used zippers instead of latches- this allows a potential north / south movement of the two halves. still, it isn't a bad case. I just don't care for zippered cases.

Interesting point
When I pick up a tenor I usually slide my middle finger of my right hand through the bell to body ring. I cannot do this on this horn. The key rods are in the way.

Initial grade:
A+

I am thinking this is a REAL keeper.

More as I play it.

[jbtsax]

Wow I am speechless. (Just kidding) :D

You said you "got your hands on one". Did you buy it? If so how much did you pay and where did you get it? Or is it one that someone loaned you to try? Just curious about how I might "get my hands on one".


John

[Randall]

Took the tenor to big band practice tonight.
Here's what I found:

The horn is extremely versatile. I can literally do anything I want, with ease. It can cut for solos, and easily blend in with an all Selmer section.
It has a great voice for soloing...and can easily handle all you can give it and more. I think this horn works fantastically in a more modern music band, but will completely be at home in a traditional big band setting as well.

I feel like the sound just jumps out of the horn, for lack of a better way to describe it.

Key action was incredibly fast without being too light. I was zipping through passages that normally would give me a little trouble with my other horns. I think the ergos of this horn are a big part of the reason it was so easy to play.

As of this moment, I am totally in love with this horn! However, I am parting with it for a few days to send it to Big Hunk for a test toot.

Also, I let a local pro test play it. Now this guy is a fairly good alto player, and I have heard his tenor playing too, and I was far less impressed with his tenor playing. However, he took the horn and played it, ran through the altissimo notes with ease...and was fairly well stunned!:shock: His simple comment was "Incredible!"
He too immediately commented on the weight of the horn.

More as I go along.....

[Tryptykon]

Interesting stuff, Randall ! :)

What's the price on these ?

[Randall]

Well as for price, I cannot say what you will pay, now.:shock:

Sarge at WWS is selling his stock of Saxgourmet and SG horns below his original price, due to a new model coming out / SG's separation from Orpheus; so you should go there to check with him.

I would say now is the time to buy if you are interested. I love this horn....really I do.

One other thing about the case:
The case is a copy of a Hiscox, but no where near as sturdy. Tonight, at the music store I tried the horn in a Cannonball rectangular case, and it fit just fine.
I have yet to try it in a real Hiscox, a JK aluminum or the ProTec large bell case (all of which I have) but I will do that tomorrow. I tend to think it will fit in them just fine, with the exception maybe, of the Hiscox.

[Tryptykon]

OK, thanks, man ! :)

[sarge]

Randall,
Thanks for posting this review. It's refreshing to read a review on a goodson product that is strictly devoted to the instrument, not the maker. we all know how the majority here at SOTW feel about the maker, but if it's possible for you to get past that, the instrument is another story.
I gotta tell you, i've been playing a saxgourmet model 6, for 8 months now and as i get used to it's capabilities, i realize nothing else even gets close. I'm sure everyone here is reading and waiting for the caveat, but i don't think it will ever come, these are just great horns. Tonally versatile and reliable as any horn ever made, really more reliable than most.
Yes, there is a new model coming... the Super 400. I have mixed emotions about it. it is said to be the best ever, but then that's what Selmer said when they changed over from the mk vi to the mk 7. I will keep an open mind, but i really like these model 6's.
Randall emailed me a while back and expressed his concerns that by selling goodson products, i was tarnishing my own reputation (at sotw anyway) but i sincerely hope that instead, people find that there is someone they can trust when they do want to play on these products. I would not vouch for them, if they weren't truly outstanding. I don't have to sell them, i prefer to.
Kudos Randall!
thanks, sarge

[Lairmon]

I have been wondering about this horn for over a year now.

I did pick up the SG silver plated Curved Soprano last October and have been pretty impressed with it. The ergos are very good on it as well, which was a big plus, but the build quality isn't top notch. Good for its selling price though.

The tenor that you are reviewing though is supposed to be the top level of his horns. I almost took a chance on the Saxgourmet tenor with Sarge but just couldn't do it without playing it for a few days first. Also being in Canada I would have a biggggg duty to pay.

Keep up the info and experiences on this horn!

[patchmo]

Yeah, I've been enjoying mine for some time now and got a good comment about it's great sound using my Jody Jazz DV 10*/Christoph Heftrig Lig at the local blues jam this past week.:)
http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?p=814142#post814142

[swingmanstan]

Randall;
Thanks for the post. Did this horn have the second octave key?
I tried one and found the second octave key to be a real problem to deal with.
What impression did you get?
I am still a new player, so I may not have the best form yet.
thanks
StanB

[patchmo]

Did this horn have the second octave key?
I tried one and found the second octave key to be a real problem to deal with.The Saxgourmet model doesn't. The Steve Goodson model does, is my understanding.

[Randall]

That is right, the Saxgourmet (which I have now) doesn't have the altissimo key. That key is on the Steve Goodson model.

I understand being skeptical about a horn until you try it. That is why I ended up with this horn, and why I have, over the years bought, sold and traded so many horns. I want to try them myself to really know what they are all about.

I was very curious about the Saxgourmet for a long time, but when Sarge gave it glowing reviews, I knew there was something to it.

Sarge has done a lot of work for me, sold me several horns, and I am fairly certain we have similar tastes in horns. I have found him at all times to be forthright, expert and accurate. I trust his word implicitly.

Having said that, to be completely frank, my experience with this horn so far is better than Sarge's glowing review of it.

Since I am in the first week of playing this horn, I know it will take a little more time to get to know it well, but I can unequivocally say that this is one of the finest tenor horns I have ever played, if not the finest. Still haven't compared it to my other 3 tenors. Hopefully I can do that today before I send this down to Big Hunk for him to try.

And if you are near me in Japan, you are welcome to come over and give it a toot anytime!

More as I compare it.

Maybe we can get BH to chime in in a couple of days after he has played it.

[rim shot]

Sounds pretty interesting, Randall.

I don´t know... did you miss the questions voiced by a previous poster:

You said you "got your hands on one". Did you buy it? If so how much did you pay and where did you get it? Or is it one that someone loaned you to try?

I only bring this up because I wondered about some of the same things.
As a matter of fairness, I think a reviewer should be willing to answer relevant questions.... or make some kind of disclaimer.

[Dr G]

Gee, you sound a lot like John... Hmmmm...

FWIW, that question was answered in post #5.

[Randall]

I have a few people on "ignore". This thread will not devolve.

Disclaimer already made at the beginning.

The mods will delete any post that starts the ball rolling in the wrong direction.

And G is right, question has already been answered.

Back to the horn.

[clhuff]

FYI: I saw a price on the LA Sax site of $6,150 for the Tenor. Sarge's website says he's offering 20% off of the Model 6's he still has in stock, but I'm not sure what his retail price is. With shipping I'd figure $5K with some pocket change left over.

[SactoPete]

FYI: I saw a price on the LA Sax site of $6,150 for the Tenor. Sarge's website says he's offering 20% off of the Model 6's he still has in stock, but I'm not sure what his retail price is. With shipping I'd figure $5K with some pocket change left over.

There's one on eBay now for a lot less than that:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SAXGOURMET-TENOR-SAX-SAXOPHONE-PRO-TOM-SCOTT-MODEL_W0QQitemZ110279931632QQihZ001QQcategoryZ1623 4QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1 638Q2em118Q2el1247

Pete

[clhuff]

There's one on eBay now for a lot less than that:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SAXGOURMET-TENOR-SAX-SAXOPHONE-PRO-TOM-SCOTT-MODEL_W0QQitemZ110279931632QQihZ001QQcategoryZ1623 4QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1 638Q2em118Q2el1247

Pete

Man that's a sweet-lookin' horn.

[Randall]

It ain't only sweet looking!~;)

[michaelbaird]

That is a nice looking horn. I'm not in the market, but the choices a player has these days are just remarkable. I'm tempted all the time.

[patchmo]

There's one on eBay now for a lot less than that:
PeteThat's a very good price. I got mine for btwn 3-4k range off the music store on e-bay which had got Tom Scott's prior horns and were about to auction them off. I don't remember the name of the seller. Started with an S and is in California.

[Joe Jazz]

That does look like a pretty good deal, especially if Randall is impressed by one. I just wish they would have listed it as used(which it is), and said whether or not it really does have any damage. Saying it's a demo that might have a ding or two but we are selling it as new doesn't exactly make sense on the truth-o-meter to me.:? Sounds good on the demo video!

[hornimus]

Sound
As far as I can tell now, I would describe this horn as somewhere between a TH&C and my Medusa. It liked the ballsiness of the sound immediately. Once again, I want to try several genres before I make many comments on the sound.

Sure would like to hear some sound clips from one of you pros with various legend horns to compare.

[Randall]

Joe, the horn looks brand new to me. It may have been test played (most any horn you get has been..), but there was not a ding or scratch on it anywhere that I could see. It seems flawless.

The action was near perfect too. Any new Selmer you play always has the key spring stiffness set too tight. This horn was juuust right out of the box.

I would love to do some sound examples of my horns....now I gotta wait for BigHunk to test play it an send it back to me.

[Joe Jazz]

Randall, I didn't realize the sax you have is the same one that is on ebay? Glad to hear it is good shape.

[Randall]

Yes Joe it is.

i originally wanted to buy from Sarge because I know that his set up is the best and that he would make it perfect before he sent it to me and would guarantee it.

At the time, I didn't have the coin though, so when I saw the auction and the price there I took a chance. It paid off.

Timing....now Sarge has lowered his prices significantly too.:)

While the horn from eBay was fine and my experience with the seller is good, I did take a chance. My curiosity got the best of me, and I was fortunate.

A former member here has bought 4 of these horns from the eBay seller and had no problems too, so I think it is a pretty good deal if you want to go that way.
I also highly recommend Sarge. You can't beat his work, set up, and his guarantee is golden. I thank him for turning me onto these horns.

Joe, I know about you and G.A.S., so let me tell you that the tenor is a bit heavier than a usual tenor;) but the ergos are superb!

Signed,
:twisted:

[Joe Jazz]

Thanks for the scoop, Randall! You always were a good bad influence!;):D

[Tryptykon]

Is the added weight because of the keywork/extra keys ?

What are we talking, here : a pound, or ?

[Randall]

I can't say...but I would speculate that the heaviness of it is due to the thickness of the straight body tube. My CB alto is also relatively "heavy" and my tech said that the tube was quite heavy when he was doing the overhaul.

I am a big guy- the weight difference of any horn is not too noticeable to me at all. However if you have neck, back or shoulder issues I can see how it may be an issue to be of concern. As to how much heavier it is, I wouldn't have the foggiest idea. What would I measure it against? My 3 main tenors are quite different: one solid sterling, one modern brass, one vintage brass.

That being said, everyone who has picked up this horn has said it is heavy. I just don't perceive it as heavy.

Look, I used to toss a bass sax around on stage like it was an alto;)

Tryp, sorry I am not much more help.

[jbtsax]

Gee, you sound a lot like John... Hmmmm...

FWIW, that question was answered in post #5. How does John sound Dr. G? Actually Randall did not answer the question of where he purchased the sax until post 26, and even then he did not disclose how much he paid for it. Here is some information from Ebay.

There have been only 2 Saxgourmet Tom Scott model 6 tenors sold on Ebay in the past 2 months.

-One sold on June 19 for $2360, and
-One sold on July 18 for $2100.

Saxxsymbol bought the one on June 19 because he has written about it on other forums, so that means that Randall must have paid $2100 for his on July 18.

I find it interesting that his first post in this thread on August 16 Randall says that he just finished a 30 minute play test, giving the impression that he just got the sax and played it for the first time. I can imagine shipping from San Antonio, Texas to Japan would take a while, but 29 days??? It just seems that the whole review while well written is a bit contrived---especially when Sarge Stransky who is a dealer and has a financial interest in selling these saxes chimes right in.

Since Steve Goodson's split with Orpheus Music, Noteworthy Musical, the sales arm of Orpheus, has been dumping their remaining Goodson related inventory at bargain basement prices. Tom Scott Model 6 altos have sold as low as $1200 (less than the cost of a new YAS23 student model). It is easy to see why people are grabbing up instruments of this quality for $2100 as Randall did. The question is, will people be excited enough about them to pay the $4500 Pro Winds is advertising the same tenor for?

What will be interesting is how dealers of Goodson's new line of saxes will be able to survive when he will be competing with them selling the saxes himself at "dealer cost" from his Nation of Music website.


1. This post does not mention anything derogatory about Steve Goodson.
2. This post does not bring up the topic of "country of origin"
3. This post is about the Saxgourmet Model 6 Tom Scott tenor sax, its price, and where it can be purchased.
4. No animals were harmed in writing this post.

In light of the above I would ask that this post not be deleted like my other one which simply provided a link to comments Goodson made about this sax on his saxnation forum.

John

[Tryptykon]

I can't say...but I would speculate that the heaviness of it is due to the thickness of the straight body tube. My CB alto is also relatively "heavy" and my tech said that the tube was quite heavy when he was doing the overhaul.

I am a big guy- the weight difference of any horn is not too noticeable to me at all. However if you have neck, back or shoulder issues I can see how it may be an issue to be of concern. As to how much heavier it is, I wouldn't have the foggiest idea. What would I measure it against? My 3 main tenors are quite different: one solid sterling, one modern brass, one vintage brass.

That being said, everyone who has picked up this horn has said it is heavy. I just don't perceive it as heavy.

Look, I used to toss a bass sax around on stage like it was an alto;)

Tryp, sorry I am not much more help.

That was just fine, thanks .

[mattp169]

JBT- As always thanks for keeping reality in the discussion

Randall You have mentioned how nice the action is....I am curious do you know if the your sax is factory set up or if the dealer did some tweaking on it before you bought it?

[Joe Jazz]

How does John sound Dr. G? Actually Randall did not answer the question of where he purchased the sax until post 26, and even then he did not disclose how much he paid for it. Here is some information from Ebay.

There have been only 2 Saxgourmet Tom Scott model 6 tenors sold on Ebay in the past 2 months.

-One sold on June 19 for $2360, and
-One sold on July 18 for $2100.

Saxxsymbol bought the one on June 19 because he has written about it on other forums, so that means that Randall must have paid $2100 for his on July 18.

I find it interesting that his first post in this thread on August 16 Randall says that he just finished a 30 minute play test, giving the impression that he just got the sax and played it for the first time. I can imagine shipping from San Antonio, Texas to Japan would take a while, but 29 days??? It just seems that the whole review while well written is a bit contrived---especially when Sarge Stransky who is a dealer and has a financial interest in selling these saxes chimes right in.

Since Steve Goodson's split with Orpheus Music, Noteworthy Musical, the sales arm of Orpheus, has been dumping their remaining Goodson related inventory at bargain basement prices. Tom Scott Model 6 altos have sold as low as $1200 (less than the cost of a new YAS23 student model). It is easy to see why people are grabbing up instruments of this quality for $2100 as Randall did. The question is, will people be excited enough about them to pay the $4500 Pro Winds is advertising the same tenor for?

What will be interesting is how dealers of Goodson's new line of saxes will be able to survive when he will be competing with them selling the saxes himself at "dealer cost" from his Nation of Music website.


1. This post does not mention anything derogatory about Steve Goodson.
2. This post does not bring up the topic of "country of origin"
3. This post is about the Saxgourmet Model 6 Tom Scott tenor sax, its price, and where it can be purchased.
4. No animals were harmed in writing this post.

In light of the above I would ask that this post not be deleted like my other one which simply provided a link to comments Goodson made about this sax on his saxnation forum.

John

The ad says free shipping. That probably meant free shipping by the cheapest way possible if you live in Japan! If they sent it by boat it could have taken a month I suppose.

[Dr G]

How does John sound Dr. G?

Relentless, compulsive, obsessive...

Thanks for asking - and giving supportive evidence. ;)

[chitownjazz]

That's a very good price. I got mine for btwn 3-4k range off the music store on e-bay which had got Tom Scott's prior horns and were about to auction them off. I don't remember the name of the seller. Started with an S and is in California.

Scimonetti?

[mattp169]

I just realized this topic is under the LA SAX forum. That is offensive. This topic should be moved to a different forum

[Tryptykon]

Relentless, compulsive, obsessive...

Thanks for asking - and giving supportive evidence. ;)

Thou dost project, too much .

[patchmo]

Scimonetti?You've got it!:cyclopsa:

[Noj the Terrible]

This question is for Sarge.

What is the hardness of the key metal like. Is it comparable to the big name manufacturers? Do things stay where you put them.

[rim shot]

I´m not out to bash anyone- I really just wondered about the question of how you ended up with the horn, etc. Actually, I thought it was pretty cool that you reviewed the horn- because I have agreed with you often on your appraisal of different horns- esp. Yanis.

Still, when giving a review, I, personally, just think it makes sense to state something to the effect of <hey I´m just reviewing the horn- I have no affiliation to the company, get no freebies, etc....> or whatever.
I don´t know, but I think it just makes sense to ask the kind of questions that were posed in one early post.

It´s not a big deal, as I neither hate nor like SG and would prefer that others not make that insinuation.

Glad you like your new horn.
Carry on, mate.

[HUTMO]

Thanks for the review on this sax.

This is a good looking saxophone to say the least with some very nice features.

HUTMO

[sarge]

Here is an answer to Noj's question. The sax body is thick walled like all the best vintage horns. it also has ribbing and stronger/heavier posts and keywork than any other brand i have seen, including french and japanese. this is all by design. the idea was to make a pro sax that would hold up to extensive use and just play great every night.
now, i feel i must add, i do not own any stock in the company, i am not a typical dealer, in that i carry just one of each pro model... so that i can provide for those who desire the advantages the horn has. i'm not related to SG, or anyone at nations of music. I have known SG for well over 10 years and he has never been anything but a gentleman in all of our many transactions. yes, i have heard the stories. steve is not at all perfect, but he is a truly great saxophone designer. you should also check into his goofy looking new neck, it is amazing, turns a whiny mk vi into a super 20 type powerhouse. it's hard to imagine. (again, no stock in the company, or interest in it's design or marketing, except that i recommend it)
Also, i still sell about 50 vintage horns to one new one. that's fine with me. i don't care for most modern saxes, i won't be carrying any other line of new/modern horns. i don't know if i will sell the new super 400 model, time will tell.
i've said it before and repeat...i'm selling the saxgourmet horns because i believe in the product. it is the very best, in build, sound, intonation, ergonomics... available as of this date.
i don't care what country they are made in. i do care that every model 6 neck, body tube and bell are hand formed, not machine drawn, in a shop, rather than a large factory. even more, i have been playing one for 8 or 9 months and still can't find anything not to love about them... rugged, reliable, powerful.
Orpheus still has a couple at ebay, i think you could get for about 2500.00. they are demos and in fine shape. it won't hurt my feelings if you go there to buy them. i'm not sitting on a large stock of these, I have one left to sell at worldwidesax, only. when they are gone, that's it, you will be looking at the new model 400 afterwards.
the idea of some conspiracy (between randall and myself) just made me laugh out loud. it's so sotw... it's also the reason i rarely try to help at sotw anymore. but i digress.
my motivation is not big financial gains, they are a lower profit ratio than reselling a selmer mk vi (which i rarely carry, i prefer to stock good value horns) i just really like saxophones, a great sax helps a great player, play better and these are really good. that's it, that’s the last I’m saying about the SG model. there is a sax for every player, find one you really like and play it well.
sarge

[rabbit]

sarge,

Thank you for your post #42.

More than a few people here are so
uptight that only dogs can hear them fart.

Disclaimer: I am not associated with sarge
or WorldWideSax by any commercial or
social tie. Much to his relief, I'm sure.

[clhuff]

sarge,

Thank you for your post #42.

More than a few people here who are so
uptight that only dogs can hear them fart.

Disclaimer: I am not associated with sarge
or WorldWideSax by any commercial or
social tie. Much to his relief, I'm sure.

I'm gonna have to shout out a huge amen to that!

[alsdiego]

Sarge,

+1 I dearly love SOTW, but I must tell you that there are a few people here who will attack your credibility/honesty/integrity when they don't know you from Adam (or Eve, for that matter)............... hey, Randall loves his horn, maybe it's that simple.......... good on him........

Al

[Randall]

Al, it is that simple!:)

[alsdiego]

Al, it is that simple!:)


............. and I love my Buffet Dynaction alto, circa 1956............ ain't love grand :D

[SactoPete]

Yes, it seems any advocate of a new non-big-4 horn gets labelled as a shill by *someone* (been there myself on the Cannonball "vintage" thread). Sad. And driving a guy like Sarge away is a loss to SOTW.

Truth is, there are a LOT of good horns out there, and I'm excited by what is coming out these days. The problem is, there's TOO many of them, and I can't afford them *ALL*. I keep finding new or new-to-me horns that I really dig, but can't allow myself to get rid of my existing ones. This is how someone ends up with five tenors (and counting?) I'd love to try a Saxgourmet model 6, but thankfully there's none nearby to tempt me! Thanks for the review, Randall - looking forward to the sound clips!

Pete

[soybean]

Just a note on the weight issue. I've seen similar comments on many other Asian-built saxes. There must be something in the brass they use that makes them weigh more. Yes, the Saxgourmet have additional keywork and high copper content, but even the garden variety Asian horns seem to be heavier.

For me it's a big deal when standing up all night playing. Sitting down is another matter.

[warp x]

4. No animals were harmed in writing this post.


How can you be so sure?:D

[hakukani]

I have a really silly idea.

Why don't we weigh the saxophones and see whether it's a perception or a fact that the saxophones in question are really heavier? In measurements I've seen before, the difference in tenors is + or - a pound or so.

[pkreli]

I have a really silly idea.

Why don't we weigh the saxophones and see whether it's a perception or a fact that the saxophones in question are really heavier?

I think thats a great idea ! I've been wondering the same and I'd like to see actual weight measurements.

[Randall]

let's stay on topic guys...pretty please ;)

[patchmo]

I just realized this topic is under the LA SAX forum. That is offensive. This topic should be moved to a different forumYeah! I couldn't agree more!! Why is this post on the LA SAX forum? Is it because if you go to the LA SAX website they list the Steve Goodson & Saxgourmet sax models there:? :twisted: :TGNCHK:

[goodsax]

That's a very good price. I got mine for btwn 3-4k range off the music store on e-bay which had got Tom Scott's prior horns and were about to auction them off. I don't remember the name of the seller. Started with an S and is in California.Scimonettis?

[Al Stevens]

Why is this post on the LA SAX forum?
It's N'awlins French. La sax.

[Joe Jazz]

:scratch:Yeah! I couldn't agree more!! Why is this post on the LA SAX forum? Is it because if you go to the LA SAX website they list the Steve Goodson & Saxgourmet sax models there:? :twisted: :TGNCHK:

I see this thread is duh-generating again.....

[Noj the Terrible]

Thank you for the response answering my question Sarge.

[Joe Jazz]

If I were in the market for a tenor I would certainly consider making an offer on the ebay listing after hearing what Randall thinks about them. I don't know that my bad back, wrists, and elbow would appreciate a heavier tenor though. I would still not pay the regular(Prowinds for example)price for one, as I thought they were over priced IMHO. I've sworn off paying those kind of prices since selling off my JK Shadows!8-)

[patchmo]

Scimonettis?
You're close!;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by chitownjazz
Scimonetti?
You're got it!:cyclopsa:

[patchmo]

:scratch:

I see this thread is duh-generating again.....I'd expect this from the "jester.":joker: :D

[runzoff]

The Ebay listing for the Saxgourmet, Model 6 tenor has been removed- in fact, the only thing remaining for Noteworthy Musical on Ebay is a set of bongos! Poof.... Whatzzz goin' on??!!
hmmm

[Joe Jazz]

I guess they got some offers and accepted them...

[runzoff]

Not just the tenors- EVERYTHING!!! they had necks, neck enhancers, mouthpieces, DVD's, swabs, SG Baritone sax, etc.. the whole store went *poof*
Earlier they had probably 30 or so SG items along with other things- the whole store is wiped clean............

[runzoff]

This was on a nearby thread today;
http://www.saxontheweb.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=89191&highlight=steve+goodson&page=2

[runzoff]

From the nearby thread.

Post #32 from gencinjay

"Interesting to read this. I received an e-mail directly from e-bay that Noteworthy Musical had violated one or more of their terms and e-bay removed an item I made an offer on. Noteworthy now has nothing in their e-bay store."

[patchmo]

I have a really silly idea.
Why don't we weigh the saxophones and see whether it's a perception or a fact that the saxophones in question are really heavier? In measurements I've seen before, the difference in tenors is + or - a pound or so.
I think thats a great idea ! I've been wondering the same and I'd like to see actual weight measurements.Ummmmm...:dazed::confused:...yeah!
Let's get right on that!!:thumbrig:
Seeing as how no one has replied to this, and since I had nothing better to do over the holliday weekend, :twisted: :badgrin: using highly technical and scientifically proven methodology I performed a test (okay, I used a bathroom scale.):D I tried a digital scale 1st but it wouldn't register such a low weight (amazing how the packaging/instructions did not indicate that what you're weighing must weigh x amount in order to register on the scale).8-) You had to apply force with something like the weight of your body in order for it to register anything, so I reverted to the more tried & true needle scale, which indicated that the sax weighed about 6 1/2 pounds without the neck & weighed about 7 pounds with the neck & my JodyJazz Tenor DV 10*.:)

[hakukani]

Ummmmm...:dazed::confused:...yeah!
Let's get right on that!!:thumbrig:
Seeing as how no one has replied to this, and since I had nothing better to do over the holliday weekend, :twisted: :badgrin: using highly technical and scientifically proven methodology I performed a test (okay, I used a bathroom scale.):D I tried a digital scale 1st but it wouldn't register such a low weight (amazing how the packaging/instructions did not indicate that what you're weighing must weigh x amount in order to register on the scale).8-) You had to apply force with something like the weight of your body in order for it to register anything, so I reverted to the more tried & true needle scale, which indicated that the sax weighed about 6 1/2 pounds without the neck & weighed about 7 pounds with the neck & my JodyJazz Tenor DV 10*.:)

Bathroom scales will work if you:

1) weigh yourself
2) weigh yourself and your horn
3) subtract your weight

If there is a significant difference in weight (like a pound or more), you can easily tell which horn is heavier. So, you don't even have to have accuracy of +/- a half pound.

Of course we would first have to agree what is a 'significant' difference in weight. Would a half a pound makea huge difference?

Also, you should weigh your horn without mouthpiece. The difference between a HR tenor piece and a brass piece can be significant.


BTW, I don't have a dog in this race. I have one of each of the four sizes of horns, and I am quite pleased with all of them. I'm not a collector.

I am interested in both quantitative and qualitative data. However, there seems to be a preponderance of qualitative data on these horns.

That's okay if the only criteria for owning a horn is 'I like this horn'. This position does not lead to much productive discussion, though.

Hence, the various attempts at thread hijacks.

[patchmo]

Bathroom scales will work if you:
2) weigh yourself and your hornI tried this option and the weight kept changing on the digital scale :twisted: so I gave it up and just weighed the sax by itself on a needle scale.;)

[Lairmon]

It is strange in regards to what has happened with Noteworthy music. When I checked for their ebay presence I couldn't find any items for sale either. I haven't checked today though.....I did buy my SG curved Soprano off of them last October with no problems.

From the earlier posts I think randall is waiting for "Big Hunk" (another SOTWer) to review the horn and give his impressions. Hmmm, only time will tell what may occur next....

[runzoff]

I contacted Noteworthy Music directly on Tuesday. They have a few Saxgourmet horns left in stock and are negotiable on prices. On their Ebay Store, which is now back up, they now only show the Steve Goodson model tenors.
Strange goings on...... It's like they had to use Choctawtoo for a week to sell anything on Ebay.


BTW, thank you Randall for taking the time to review the horn!! I appreciate the time and effort you have spent on the review and not stepping into the politics.
Does Big Hunk have anything impressions to add?

[Randall]

I think BH may chime in when he gets some time...he has been doing a lot of golf lately.

I know he wants one of these tenors, however!

I will be adding more comments on my impressions in the coming days, and also my impressions of the alto version. That will go in a new post.

[patchmo]

In the meantime I weighed my Conn stencil for comparison and it weighed slightly above 5 pounds & at 6 pounds with the neck & my Jody Jazz Tenor DV 10*.

[jbtsax]

What made me chuckle in this thread is that on the World Wide Sax website Steve Stransky lists the MAP (Minimum Advertised Price) for the Goodson saxes he carries and then advertises the lower price that he sells them for right next to it. Maybe he is unclear on the concept?



John

[jbtsax]

Since writing this post I have been (not very politely) informed that since Goodson broke up with Orpheus that the MAP pricing policy no longer applies. You would think he would have sense enough to pass that on to his dealers. Oh well, I just call them as I see them.


John

[patchmo]

Since writing this post I have been (not very politely informed)...What !! Don't they know the meaning of "tact?" :razz:

[Lairmon]

Goodson business aside....I just want to know about the Saxgourmet Tenor and alto....Randall and Big Hunk?

[Lairmon]

I think its been long enough....what's the latest on the Saxgourmet Tenors? Big Hunk....Randall?

[BigHunk]

PM sent...

[Joe Jazz]

A lot of good that does the rest of us....:D

[Dr G]

Do tell, 'Hunk.

Pretty puhleeeez...

[Pete Thomas]

Is there a reason why people post messages in public that just say "PM sent"?

I've seen this a few times and wondered hat the reason is.

[alsdiego]

Is there a reason why people post messages in public that just say "PM sent"?

I've seen this a few times and wondered hat the reason is.

Translation: "Your post made me so angry, if I publically respond to you, I will be suspended from the forum. Therefore, go read my private message to you, you #$%^&*!!"

[sax-ony]

Is there a reason why people post messages in public that just say "PM sent"?

I've seen this a few times and wondered hat the reason is.

The original poster may not have opted to have PMs relayed by email: so they would only see the PM if they had a look at their PMs specially. But, if they are watching the thread, with email notification of new posts, they will receive an email saying that someone has added to the thread a message saying "PM sent". This may prompt them to check their PMs. It might thus be seen as slightly increasing the chances of a PM being read.

Of course, on a sale thread, "PM sent" says, "I got in first; it's mine; no other interested parties need apply!"

[Dr G]

Of course, on a sale thread, "PM sent" says, "I got in first; it's mine; no other interested parties need apply!"

... and in that For Sale thread, they ignore the possibility that someone already replied by e-mail without making an issue of it. ;)

<whaaaa, foot stomping... whaaaa>

[Joe Jazz]

Maybe he's just trying to keep us in suspence?

[Randall]

Well, on the tenor:
It is getting better and better. I took it in to my tech because i suspected it was leaking and had it adjusted. My tech was very impressed with the horn, but did find one small fault with one of the corked feet that are part of the key mechanism. The foot came to a point rather than actually being parallel to the body of the horn (which meant that the small tip of the cork glued to the foot would soon compress and then i would have metal touching metal soon), so my tech ground the foot just a millimeter or so and made it flat and parallel and then put a slightly thicker piece of cork on it. It didn't affect the playing in any way, but I understood why he did it.
After the adjustment, my goodness! This horn is amazing! It is easily the biggest, fullest sounding tenor I have ever played. Just last night I played the opening to Sade's Smooth Operator with my combo, and the guys were just looking at me like, " what happened to your sound?!" The horn is fat, fat, fat and the intonation is by far the best and easiest of any I have ever played.
I can easily play louder and above my entire band...it has that much power. It takes what i can give it and responds beautifully. As I wrote earlier, I love the ergos, they are by far the best I have ever came upon and it is fast.

I am so incredibly pleased with this horn, that I cannot say enough good things about it.

Currently it is getting ALL my tenor playing time....and I don't think that will change anytime soon.
The alto is still a work in progress, as I haven't had much time to focus on it as I am playing tenor exclusively these days. More on that as I get to put it through it's paces.

Those of us who have gotten one are lucky, I feel.

[SactoPete]

Well, on the tenor:
It is getting better and better. I took it in to my tech because i suspected it was leaking and had it adjusted. My tech was very impressed with the horn, but did find one small fault with one of the corked feet that are part of the key mechanism. The foot came to a point rather than actually being parallel to the body of the horn (which meant that the small tip of the cork glued to the foot would soon compress and then i would have metal touching metal soon), so my tech ground the foot just a millimeter or so and made it flat and parallel and then put a slightly thicker piece of cork on it. It didn't affect the playing in any way, but I understood why he did it.
After the adjustment, my goodness! This horn is amazing! It is easily the biggest, fullest sounding tenor I have ever played. Just last night I played the opening to Sade's Smooth Operator with my combo, and the guys were just looking at me like, " what happened to your sound?!" The horn is fat, fat, fat and the intonation is by far the best and easiest of any I have ever played.
I can easily play louder and above my entire band...it has that much power. It takes what i can give it and responds beautifully. As I wrote earlier, I love the ergos, they are by far the best I have ever came upon and it is fast.

I am so incredibly pleased with this horn, that I cannot say enough good things about it.

Currently it is getting ALL my tenor playing time....and I don't think that will change anytime soon.
The alto is still a work in progress, as I haven't had much time to focus on it as I am playing tenor exclusively these days. More on that as I get to put it through it's paces.

Those of us who have gotten one are lucky, I feel.

Randall,

Congrats on being happy with the horn. I'm very curious about it.... is the neck interchangeable with your Selmer? Your Buescher? It's own thing? I'm wondering if he's designed it to be a "hopped-up mark 6" as the name would indicate, or whether it is it's own thing?

Did your tech mention whether the pads are glued or shellac'd in? Is the key fit, etc. good? A fellow locally had a "Goodson" model soprano, and liked the way it played but when he took it to his (our) tech, the tech pointed out that the pads were glued in with not-the-best melt glue and would be susceptible to going out of adjustment, and that the fit-and-finish of the rods etc wasn't where it should be, again making it prone to issues.

Would love to hear if the Model 6 suffers from some of the same issues or not (it might come from a different factory, etc.)

Thanks,

Pete

[Lairmon]

Thanks for some more info and reports about playing the Saxgourmet Tenor Randall. I wanted to know how it was holding up after the first month or so and if your impressions were the same.

For the time being I've opted to get a CE Winds Omega tenor that Swingguy was selling a couple of weeks back.
Even with a great deal on the Saxgourmet I think it would be over $3,000.00 to get one up here in Canada. I would have to give up my Selmer MKVI Tenor to do that at this point. I can use the Omega, which is a pretty good horn, for teaching lessons, gigs and rehearsals and not risk the VI.

:|8-);)

[Joe Jazz]

Randall, what mpc are you using on that thing?

[Grumps]

Are these horns even being made anymore? Last I read, the designer in question was taking "orders". Does that mean you have to put down a deposit upon placing an order?

[Joe Jazz]

No, they are not being made anymore, to the best of my knowledge. There are still a few out there, last I heard. The Evil One:twisted: is supposed to be coming out with a new model, but it's not like anyone here is going to buy from him directly........except maybe a newbie off the turnip truck;)

[BigHunk]

I completly agree with randall on the tenor,maybe we can get him to give us his thoughts on my SG Bari

[Joe Jazz]

I've been wondering how you like your bari, Big Hunk!

[BigHunk]

Joe,
I just started playing Bari afew months ago and have only played 1 other bari which was a jupiter student model.The SG is far superior and much easier to play.Its a beautiful horn to look at and a blast to play.I would prefer to hear randalls take as he would be much better at describing the horn as he has played/owned afew different bari's

[Joe Jazz]

Thanks, BH!

[Joe Jazz]

You did it to me again, Randall:evil:! I just ordered a Saxgourmet Model 6 tenor! Aren't you ashamed:(?

[Henry H]

I've been wondering how you like your bari, Big Hunk!

Not "Big Hunk" but own a Goodson Bari;

Having played and owned a lot of bari’s over the years (both to low A and Bb)I can enthusiastically state that this horn had the best feel under the fingers of any baritone I’ve ever used. The touch placement is outstanding but the kicker is, as a previous poster noted, the low A. The thing seals perfectly and reliably with a roll of the thumb on the low A touch and no assist from the LH pinky Bb- something which is pretty much required on other horns unless a “gorilla grip” is used on the low A. And I’ve concluded that it’s a design issue, not an adjustment issue based upon a lot of observation. I’d be astounded if this feature didn’t roll into other fast moving imports such as Cannonball ETC though (perhaps there as I write). Certainly it is something to really test if one is springing for a low A bari.

The low A speaks cleanly at all volume levels for me as well. All playing (for the past quarter century) done with a Brilhart Level-aire 6* and VD two and a halfs.

The horn is brighter than most- though in the same range as the modern Yamaha, Yanigasawa, and Jupiter’s. The best bell note warmth I ever got from a horn was a 1920 Buescher (though it went badly nasal at the upper end). This horn has a good flexible tone across the range but- as with most modern horns- lacks some of the full warmth from the bell notes that mid twentieth century Conn’s, Buescher’s , and (to a lesser extent) the Selmer VI’s had. All the modern horns tend to do a lot better on the top though- and the “top” starts on the staff!

The construction is quite good- really sturdy keywork with no noticeable flexing and double braces to the bell. The fit is good and the pillars ETC are all neatly and solidly soldered on the body. The finish, while neat, is at the usual upper end “Asian standard” these days. Well fitted but with some rough edges on the rod ends and burrs on the mechanism (tone holes well finished)and the posts neat and professional but utilitarian.

My horn is in black nickel- overly gaudy for my tastes but well done. The engraving, unlike the SG tenor I owned (Goodson, not SaxGourmet), is elaborate and done very well. There were no finish flaws or signs of incipient acid bleeds/ solder over-runs.

The case that accompanied it was form fitted, had a good outer shell and came equipped with wheels and an end handle. The interior was made out of “Wal-Mart cooler styrofoam” covered with fabric. It’s been my experience that this stuff breaks down over time (OK for clarinets- iffy for an alto- not good for a tenor- bad for a bari) and allows play to develop. As received the form fitted indentation for the anti flex support post to the high E/ F# was slightly misplaced causing a very slight “push” to this post. The indentation location was easily fixed with a hard push of my thumb on the styrofoam case liner through the fabric (a harbinger of things to come…) and the push presented no playing/binding and was only visible by carefully slighting on the reflection of the finish- no issue.

The mouthpiece that came with the horn- including a nicely finished matching black nickel ligature and cap- was unbelievably badly hand finished. The interior baffle was a mess but the kicker was the very uneven rails and tip which was completely missing a machined surface on one side. Not something that one buys a horn for but irritating none the less.

Sadly- there are issues surrounding the marketing company that imported and distributed these horns. As of today I have no idea where, if anywhere, I could get parts and “warranty” support for the horn were it to sustain major damage. I don’t think this is an issue for me personally, but for an institutional or high school parent purchase it’d be a factor.

Overall- at thirty five hundred bucks this horn is very very competitive with the mid high end bari market. Head to head with the Jupiter, Yanigasawa, Yamaha, Keilworth, Selmer (for the independently wealthy) and Asian me-too offerings this is a good horn at its price point and worth serious consideration.

[Lairmon]

Thanks for the thorough evaluation of the Goodson Bari.

[Lairmon]

Hmm...good news about the Low A on that Bari. I avoid low A bari s because I've never liked the action or tone of those type of Baris. Also the weight and size of the darn things hasn't been worth it to me. I'm using a Couf Superba 1 low Bb bari and I'm pretty pleased with it.

[Joe Jazz]

Not "Big Hunk" but own a Goodson Bari;

Having played and owned a lot of bari';s over the years (both to low A and Bb)I can enthusiastically state that this horn had the best feel under the fingers of any baritone I';ve ever used. The touch placement is outstanding but the kicker is, as a previous poster noted, the low A. The thing seals perfectly and reliably with a roll of the thumb on the low A touch and no assist from the LH pinky Bb- something which is pretty much required on other horns unless a “gorilla grip” is used on the low A. And I';ve concluded that it';s a design issue, not an adjustment issue based upon a lot of observation. I';d be astounded if this feature didn';t roll into other fast moving imports such as Cannonball ETC though (perhaps there as I write). Certainly it is something to really test if one is springing for a low A bari.

The low A speaks cleanly at all volume levels for me as well. All playing (for the past quarter century) done with a Brilhart Level-aire 6* and VD two and a halfs.

The horn is brighter than most- though in the same range as the modern Yamaha, Yanigasawa, and Jupiter';s. The best bell note warmth I ever got from a horn was a 1920 Buescher (though it went badly nasal at the upper end). This horn has a good flexible tone across the range but- as with most modern horns- lacks some of the full warmth from the bell notes that mid twentieth century Conn';s, Buescher';s , and (to a lesser extent) the Selmer VI';s had. All the modern horns tend to do a lot better on the top though- and the “top” starts on the staff!

The construction is quite good- really sturdy keywork with no noticeable flexing and double braces to the bell. The fit is good and the pillars ETC are all neatly and solidly soldered on the body. The finish, while neat, is at the usual upper end “Asian standard” these days. Well fitted but with some rough edges on the rod ends and burrs on the mechanism (tone holes well finished)and the posts neat and professional but utilitarian.

My horn is in black nickel- overly gaudy for my tastes but well done. The engraving, unlike the SG tenor I owned (Goodson, not SaxGourmet), is elaborate and done very well. There were no finish flaws or signs of incipient acid bleeds/ solder over-runs.

The case that accompanied it was form fitted, had a good outer shell and came equipped with wheels and an end handle. The interior was made out of “Wal-Mart cooler styrofoam” covered with fabric. It';s been my experience that this stuff breaks down over time (OK for clarinets- iffy for an alto- not good for a tenor- bad for a bari) and allows play to develop. As received the form fitted indentation for the anti flex support post to the high E/ F# was slightly misplaced causing a very slight “push” to this post. The indentation location was easily fixed with a hard push of my thumb on the styrofoam case liner through the fabric (a harbinger of things to come…) and the push presented no playing/binding and was only visible by carefully slighting on the reflection of the finish- no issue.

The mouthpiece that came with the horn- including a nicely finished matching black nickel ligature and cap- was unbelievably badly hand finished. The interior baffle was a mess but the kicker was the very uneven rails and tip which was completely missing a machined surface on one side. Not something that one buys a horn for but irritating none the less.

Sadly- there are issues surrounding the marketing company that imported and distributed these horns. As of today I have no idea where, if anywhere, I could get parts and “warranty” support for the horn were it to sustain major damage. I don';t think this is an issue for me personally, but for an institutional or high school parent purchase it';d be a factor.

Overall- at thirty five hundred bucks this horn is very very competitive with the mid high end bari market. Head to head with the Jupiter, Yanigasawa, Yamaha, Keilworth, Selmer (for the independently wealthy) and Asian me-too offerings this is a good horn at its price point and worth serious consideration.


I don't know why parts should be much of a problem, since apparently Taiwanese parts are readily available and used on quite similar saxes made for a bunch of different "marketing companies". Noteworthy Music is offering a one year warranty on the saxes they have been closing out on ebay. :?

[SactoPete]

I don't know why parts should be much of a problem, since apparently Taiwanese parts are readily available and used on quite similar saxes made for a bunch of different "marketing companies". Noteworthy Music is offering a one year warranty on the saxes they have been closing out on ebay. :?

They may not be interchangeable, but agreed, I'm sure most decent techs would be able to get something off the shelf and adapt it to work...

Very interesting reviews, guys, thanks.

Pete

[Randall]

Joe, Glad to hear it! I think you will love it.
I am using my JVW modified Runyon Quantum Spoiler in delrin (#12) on it.

While I don't want this thread to go into the SG bari, the bari was superlative and th elow B,Bb,A was the easiest I have every played. Let's start another thread for that one.

[Joe Jazz]

Thanks Randall, I think! I guess it's a good thing my health and financial problems make me think twice about getting a bari again, or I would be tempted to go for a "Made in Mordor" bari too! BTW, my Orpheo did have "MIM" on the box it came in, along with a tag that said "inspected by Orc #84"......same super thin box all the Taiwanese saxes seem to come in.....

[Joe Jazz]

Well, my model 6 is on its way to me by way of OOPS.....I mean UPS. It looks like I snagged the last one from Noteworthy Music.......I hope it's in decent shape when it arrives......

[Dr G]

y Orpheo did have "MIM" on the box it came in...

Middle Earth???

Thump thrice when I get close to the correct answer. ;)

[Joe Jazz]

As stated earlier, they are Made in Mordor by little Orcs in a hollow tree!8-)

[Joe Jazz]

Well, my model 6 arrived yesterday. First rate fit and finish, rich sound, and very free blowing. It doesn't feel noticeably heavier to me, but seems solidly built. Thanks Randall for enticing me to buy one of these! If only they had an alto left! :):):):):)

[goodsax]

Well, my model 6 arrived yesterday. First rate fit and finish, rich sound, and very free blowing. It doesn't feel noticeably heavier to me, but seems solidly built. Thanks Randall for enticing me to buy one of these! If only they had an alto left! :):):):):)
I have a like-new Steve Goodson-designed silver-plated Orepheo alto with two necks, triple strap rings, extra C-whisper key, double arms on bell and bow keys, etc., that could be yours for very little do-re-mi. :D

[Joe Jazz]

Well, if you'll check my signature you'll notice I already have one of those in black nickel plate! Did you notice that I replaced the Kessler sop I sold you with another one? I guess I could buy a model 6 alto from Prowinds for $4,300 instead of the $1,200 Randall paid.......:shock:

[goodsax]

Well, if you'll check my signature you'll notice I already have one of those in black nickel plate! Did you notice that I replaced the Kessler sop I sold you with another one? I guess I could buy a model 6 alto from Prowinds for $4,300 instead of the $1,200 Randall paid.......:shock:Yeah, but yours is not silver-plated. :D

I don't blame you for getting another Kessler Custom sop. Mine is performing flawlessly, within the limits of my ability, and has turned out to be the best sop I've owned. Unfortunately, I don't get many chances to play it in the groups I'm associated with.

Randall always gets the good deals through his dealer network, and travels to foreign lands. I've seen more top-of-the-line saxes pass through his hands that any weekend warrior like me would see in two lifetimes.

[soybean]

Is Saxgourmet the same company as LA Sax?

[Randall]

And Rob, several of those stayed in my hands too! lol!

For the record, my Saxgourmet horns were bid on and won on eBay..no brother-in-law prices ;-)

I was, perhaps, a little on the cutting edge of eBay searching, though ;)
and struck while the iron was hot.

[Joe Jazz]

;)Randall- any thoughts to share on the alto version of the model 6? This is your chance to make me sorry I didn't jump on board earlier!

[Randall]

Joe,
I took the alto to my combo practice on Friday and gave it a good blow. I can't give you a complete rundown on it just yet as I need to get it adjusted a little. I used a high baffle Yani metal #9 and #3 Alexander Superial reed with a Rovner lig (my usual alto set up).

What I can tell you is that I believe it is a great one....identical in positives to the tenor.
It has a great voice for lead, and can still blend well with a section. The ergos, once again, flawless. More as I play it more.

[Randall]

Also, it's darned purdy! But you know that already.:D

[Joe Jazz]

Thanks Randall! My wife doesn't dig the copper look, but I think it's b-a-u-t-full!

[patchmo]

My wife doesn't dig the copper look, but I think it's b-a-u-t-full!At the blues jam this past weekend someone commented on my Tenor, that even if I weren't to play good, at least I'd look good doing it.:)

[Joe Jazz]

As that famous sax player Andre Agassi once said..."image is everything":D

[Joe Jazz]

Well, I ordered a Goodson bari. Anyone got $30,000 for my back surgery?;)

[xuanvu]

I have a Steve Goodson alto (the one with the additional altissimo key) and I find it very, VERY good... It's a bit heavier than the Inderbinen. The altissimo key does help to make those high notes "stronger" and more "stable", but I don't use it very often. I bought it as a backup saxophone to the Inderbinen for a very cheap price (I've used the Best Offer option on Ebay.) It has never been to a gig as I always use the Inderbinen, but I do practice with it at home. Highly recommended.

Kenny.

[goodsax]

Kenny, you always have the nicest toys.

It's good to see you back enjoying quality instruments like before. Didn't you have a 24K gold-plated R&C curvy sop awhile ago? And now you have both the mysterious and, at the same time, famous Inderbinen and an SG 6 alto to back it up? That's tough duty.

Rob

[xuanvu]

Hi Rob,

I've sold the R&C curved during that tough period of time, I'm using a Kessler Deluxe straight sop that I bought from another SOTW member here, it's good for now as I play mainly alto. Like I said, I bought the Goodson model (new from noteworthymusical on Ebay) for a very cheap price using the Best Offer option.

By the way, this is the Steve Goodson Model, I think it's different from the Saxgourmet Model 6.

Kenny.

[Randall]

Joe, I KNOW you bought that shiny silver one, didn't ya_!;)

[Joe Jazz]

Joe, I KNOW you bought that shiny silver one, didn't ya_!;)

I wanted the shiny silver one, but settled for the shiny gold lacquer one. I'm poor, don't you know?:(

[Randall]

I guess if things change for me then I can pick up the slack for you ;) I played Big Hunks and I am in SERIOUS lust.
Killer horns! You will like it I am sure.
Not so sure about the weight problem for you though, Joe.

Anyone wanna buy an SBA one-of-a-kind, totally pimped-out horn?

Joe my horn is a LOT lighter, lol!

[Joe Jazz]

I'm thinking about setting it on one of my dog's backs so my back doesn't have to support the weight ;)

[Randall]

you're a cruel man Joe.
That's why I like you.:TGNCHK:

[Joe Jazz]

you're a cruel man Joe.
That's why I like you.:TGNCHK:

The feeling is mutual..:).or would that be mutt-ual?

[Joe Jazz]

So, Randall, on your tenor where was the piece that had to be ground down.. so we can be on the lookout..

[Joe Jazz]

Randall, I appear to have snagged the last gold lacquer Goodson bari. You may want to act fast on a silver one.

[Randall]

Joe, the spirit is willing, bank account is not.

I will be interested to know your impressions!

[Joe Jazz]

Joe, the spirit is willing, bank account is not.

I will be interested to know your impressions!

I'm familiar with that problem. I had finally got myself down to a few inexpensive saxes when I read your reviews on the Model 6. That ended that!:cry: My back and elbow already told me they are not going to like it!

[patchmo]

By the way, this is the Steve Goodson Model, I think it's different from the Saxgourmet Model 6You're correct.

[Joe Jazz]

I bought my wife a Black Nickel Vespro tenor(dirt cheap)that arrived today. It looks good, haven't had a chance to play it yet. So many models, so little money!;)I'm trying to single handedly start the recovery from the Democratic Congress's recession!:-)

[Joe Jazz]

Well, I just test played the Vespro tenor. It sounds and plays fine. Ergos remind me of a Chicago Jazz Series. Such a deal!

[patchmo]

Uh, oh. I see that my Saxgourmet 6 Tenor is now obsolete.:shock:
It's been replaced by the Saxgourmet Super 400.:dazed:
Supposedly the 1st batch was sold out.:|
Anyone out there in SOTW land try an Alto or Tenor out yet:?:
I guess Tom Scott will be upgrading:D

[Joe Jazz]

I am very pleased so far with my collection of SG designed saxes. I had no unresolveable problems with Noteworthy Music and I like the people there. That said, I do not see myself buying anything from the evil :twisted:one himself, now that he is back to being on his own, without LASAX/Orpheus to make sure that people get what's coming to them ;)

[Joe Jazz]

My Orpheo alto developed some leaks last night. When I have time I may have to break out the shellac.....hope the Model Six tenor doesn't do the same......not too big a deal at the price I paid.

[goodsax]

My Orpheo alto developed some leaks last night. When I have time I may have to break out the shellac.....hope the Model Six tenor doesn't do the same......not too big a deal at the price I paid.I found issues with the screwdriver adjustments needing attention to avoid leaks on my Orpheo. That said, I would think the Model 6 tenor is a big step up in quality compared to the closer to entry-level Orpheo. At least that's my impression of the overall difference between SG Model 6 instruments and Orpheos, which could be mistaken.

[patchmo]

i don't know if i will sell the new super 400 model, time will tell.Okay, sarge. Keep us posted. Thank you.

[patchmo]

I think the L.A. Sax site should update their Saxgourmet page since at the top they have a picture of the Model 6, but then below that they have sax pictures which are definitely not a Saxgourmet, with entries such as: NECK: Thread first inch; which obviously does not apply to the Saxgourmet 6 which has no threaded neck, and further down it specifically has in the ENGRAVING section info. which lets you know for certain it's definitely not Saxgourmet related.:rolleyes:

[Joe Jazz]

I received my SG bari yesterday. Gave it a good looking over and a quick blow with the stock mpc(I previously sold all my bari mpcs so had to order a couple new ones, which are not here yet ). Appears to be well built, and it's got a nice sound. I just realized how much I missed honking! :D

[Randall]

Glad to hear it Joe!
Enjoy! They are a blast.

[Joe Jazz]

Thanks Randall! They saving the silver one for you?:twisted: