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HarryPluta
01-18-2004, 07:08 PM
I need to preface this by saying that I have not played a saxophone since the early '70s, at that time I had a Selmer Bundy. Fast forward, the Bundy has lasted all this time, being a learning horn for myself, my brother, my son, and my daughter. We purchased a second Bundy II a few years ago for my daughter which, when not in the shop, was a very nice horn. After 6 years of playing she decided she wanted a new horn.

After much debate we decided that the additional maintenance of a used "classic" horn would not be appropriate to a high shool student, and the cost of a new professional horn was not in the budget at this time. So a new intermediate horn looked like the solution.

After a bit of searching and trying various horns, we saw a new Antigua Winds 520BC being offered by Kessler and Sons on ebay at a price that seemed very reasonable. After exchanging emails with Dave Kessler and insuring that he would take the horn back if it did not work out, we went ahead and put in the winning bid on it.

The horn arrived promptly, and was very well packed, the case is quite nice with a dual handle system and close fitting compartments. Now on to the horn itself. Niether my daughter nor I knew quite what to expect for the black chrome finish, we were both thinking more black then chrome. The color is instead a most unique shade with an almost purple hue to it. This sets the gold laquered keys off very nicely. My daughter is completely taken by it.

Build quality is very high on this instrument, I spent a good amount of time really checking fit and finish and have to say it seems quite a bit better built then either of the Bundys. It is heavier then either of those horns, although not by that much. The black chrome finish looks like it will be easy to maintain and the engraving is very nice to look at.

Playability is so much better then the Bundys. Before my daughter came home from school I tried the horn out. Even after many years wihout playing and with the mouthpiece that comes with it, I was able to pull both upper and lower regester notes out of the horn without any trouble at all. My daughter ran some scales and other then having to reposition her hand a little to compensate for the key layout she was able to hit all but one note without problems. The one note she is having problems with, and she only has a problem when screaming up a scale, is right around the high A. This is unquestionably due to her adjusting to the key layout, not an issue with the horn. When she plays a bit slower she never misses it. She now has about two hours of playing this instrument under her belt and still has a huge grin on her face while puitting it away. In her words, "It's like the sax is helping me play".

Tone is a subjective thing, probably my favorite tone of all time is the sax work on Pink Floyd's Dark Side of The Moon album, dark, some reverb, and very rich. This horn, played by my daughter, with a Selmer C* mouthpiece, Rovner 1rl ligature, and 2 1/2 reeds is very, very rich. In side-by-side tests it is not as bright as either of the Bundys ( the Bundy II always sounded a bit tinny to my ear ), and the Antigua seems to have a more complex sound, especially down low.

Overall, I am very pleased with this horn, my daughter has yet to be able to show it to either her band teacher or her private instructor, but I cannot imagine that either will have a problem with it. For the money I feel we ended up with a horn that will last her for many years to come.

Regards,
-harry

Fred
01-18-2004, 08:49 PM
Thanks for the report, Harry. I've heard nothing but good reports on Dave Kessler and his customer service. Guys like that deserve consideration when it's time to buy. Glad your experience was good.

One word of caution: Some band directors are not able to see beyond two or three brands, and Antigua Winds isn't usually one of them. So don't be surprised if the response is less positive than you might have hoped. You'll get more information on this board about what's good than most directors got in four years of college 5-10 years ago. That is not intended to be derogatory; information is just that much more available today - plus a lot of smaller manufacturers have greatly improved their saxes - AW among them - and their reputation hasn't caught up with their quality.

goodsax
01-19-2004, 12:16 AM
Your first reaction report is very timely and it's a good one. My 520LQ is on its way to me and I've been wondering if I made the right decision. It helps to read thorough and informative reports like this and enhances my anticipation for my first session with the 520 which should be next week.

Thanks,

HarryPluta
01-20-2004, 10:17 PM
I thought I would post a little follow up. My daughter was able to take her new horn to school today and was the hit of the band. Unfortunatly she will not be seeing her private teacher for another week.

One "issue" my daughter is having is trilling using her pinky, she has improved a lot with about 3 hours of practice under her belt, but is still not up to speed with where she was playing the Bundy II. I have no reason to believe she will not adjust to this in a few weeks time.

Fred,

First off I appreciate your concern regarding name brand predjudice. Fortunately our schools band director was one of the 2003 winners of the Mr. Holland's Opus award for outstanding instructors and is more interested in helping the kids learn then in teaching them to be snobs. ( We are all very proud of her. ) She flat out loved the horn and had my daughter play a little side by side with the young man who is first chair. He plays a "new" Selmer which looks identical to the 520 ( other then the finish that is), apparently even the director had a hard time telling the difference between them just by listening. (Bear in mind that these are 14 year old players, I am sure the difference would be more pronounced in a more accomplished artist) Her director asked my daughter to see the horn and then wrote down the name for later referance. (Mr. Kessler if you are reading this I will be sure to pass your card on to her next time I see her )

Rob,

Please post to this thread with your impressions of the horn. As it stands we are pleased as punch and will be holding on to this one. I will write back from time to time to let everyone know how it is holding up.

Best regards,
-harry

goodsax
01-20-2004, 10:31 PM
That's good news, Harry. Your daughter must be very pleased with her new sax and the reception it got at school. Kudos to her music teacher who seems to have her priorities straight.

I hope to get my 520 this week and will be happy to post my first reaction report on this thread.

Please stand by...

:wink:

DaveKessler
01-21-2004, 01:34 AM
(Mr. Kessler if you are reading this I will be sure to pass your card on to her next time I see her )


I am! Thanks!

:)

HarryPluta
01-27-2004, 12:01 AM
My daughter finally had a chance to take her new horn to her private instructor. This gentleman is a very accomplished player and teaches at the local university. This was a chance for me to hear an advanced player using the 520 and both he and I were very pleased with the sound he got out of it ( gave my daughter an idea of the level she can strive to ).

All of his comments were very, very positive, he liked the look, feel, and balance of the instrument as well as it's playability. We both agreed that the tone, particularly in the lower register is exceptional. He was able to make the mid and upper regesters really sing and I have to say that it was a very sweet sond.

So now all that is left is for my daughter to continue to be motivated.

Best regards,
-harry

Rob, you get yours yet?

goodsax
01-27-2004, 12:57 AM
I got my 520 last Friday and used it for my community band concert yesterday, Sunday. A photo of a satisfed 520 player can be viewed at

http://members11.clubphoto.com/_cgi-bin/getImage.pl?imgID=29082997-932d&trans=

showing me (the one with the 520 alto),and one of my brothers-in-law. He and a few other friends and relatives attended the concert and were favorably impressed.

The 520 performed flawlessly. It looks like a million bucks and intonation was better than any other alto I've played in recent memory, and I've played a lot of them. I liked it so much, I've decided to let my Kohlert JK-logo'd alto go and keep the Antigua. I know this would incense vintage sax purists, but the Antigua is the better horn for what I do, especially the intonation. My repair tech friend could play the Kohlert up and down within 20 cents, but not me. I must be doing something wrong. OTOH, I have no problem at all staying within about 10 - 15 cents top to bottom with the 520 and I'm as pleased as I can be with it.

Bottom line is that the Antigua 520LQ is in, the Kohlert is out, rolled tone holes, resonance ring, C-D trill key and all.

So now all that is left is for my daughter to continue to be motivated.
Best regards,
-harry

Rob, you get yours yet?

rohan1909
04-02-2004, 07:46 PM
Hi, my name is Arnoldo Lezama, and I recently acquired an Antigua Winds 520BC. This is the alto saxophone, with the black chrome finish. I am pleased to say that I am completely satisfied with it, and I think it is a wonderful instrument. I am currently beginning to play, (learning) but I do know quite a bit about music, and the way a good sax should sound. I have not been able to get the BEST sound out of it yet, but my sax teacher used it and I was very impressed :!: It confirmed to me that I had taken a right decision in buying it. I know you all know this by now, but Dave Kessler is a great seller. He was very considerate and answered everything I asked.

Blue Bari
05-24-2008, 11:56 PM
Hi Dave,
I'm curious to hear how your customers are liking the Antigua Winds Baritone. Do you think it rates with the student instruments or is it more in line with proffesional instruments.
Thanks, Blue Bari