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No Clever Name
07-24-2003, 05:55 PM
I'm not really a teacher... but I do trade off sax/jazz in general lessons for voice lessons with someone at my school.

It's going pretty well (so far) but there is one problem: he scoops. Ad nauseum. And now looking back, I realize that my teacher had the same complaint about me when I was learning. Simply telling him not to scoop doesn't work.... he'll do it for a while as he's thinking about it, but then forget and go back to scooping again. I've loaned him some of Art Pepper stuff, and told him to listen carefully to the inflections... but is there anything else I can do?
max
07-24-2003, 06:30 PM
Make him record himself and listen to it. He might not even be aware of how much he's doing it (or how awful it sounds).
stitch
07-24-2003, 07:38 PM
ummmm ... what's 'scooping'? :oops:
Mike Ruhl
07-24-2003, 07:49 PM
Sliding up to pitch upon attack.
Tim Price
07-24-2003, 11:36 PM
"Blue" notes-aka scooping.
OR-bending of certain pitches, might sound like "scooping" or sliding
used by vocalists, saxophone -- where pitch is completely flexible .
BTW-you cannot produce blue notes on piano, because keys play fixed pitch ...so sax players are an asset to ANY idiom.IMHO 8)
GREAT SCOOPERS ARE:
Ben webster
Plaz Johnson
Hawk
Benny Carter
Hodges
If ya get my drift.Jackie Kelso w/Basie Band is excellent.
Marshall Royall set the benchmark.
IT'S A SOUND THANG!!! :idea:
Troy
07-24-2003, 11:50 PM
Well Tim, you just haven't abused your piano properly. My 30-yr-old Baldwin Acrosonic spinet seems to have more than one blue note--even though I keep having Mr. Pianoman over to tune the thing. Oh well!!

I can pretend I have a one-of-a-kind true blue pianer! :)
Tim Price
07-25-2003, 12:04 AM
I've abused many pianos-hhaha :lol:

Consider yourself a innovator ok??? :lol:
max
07-25-2003, 03:49 AM
But to be clear - the guys Tim names as great scoopers know when and how to use it.

Beginners often use it far (far) too much, which is why NCN was looking for a way to help the student learn to not use it all the time.
Tim Price
07-25-2003, 03:51 AM
But to be clear - the guys Tim names as great scoopers know when and how to use it.

Beginners often use it far (far) too much, which is why NCN was looking for a way to help the student learn to not use it all the time.

YES-its called tasty!!!

Max I agree- 1000%....listening to Hodges play is a lesson itself in scooping.IMHO 8)