How you work on chord ?

[Tears June]

I'm working on chord now. I have two approach:


1) First to work on 1-3-5-7 on all keys. After familiar, then 3-5-7-1 on all keys, then 5-7-1-3 on all keys....etc

2) First to work on just one key but 1-3-5-7, then 3-5-7-1, then 5-7-1-3...etc.
After getting familiar on one key, then work on next key the same way.


Which one is better you think? I consider the first one is more boring, 2nd approach sounds better for my ear & more fun.

:cry:

[saxy_rich]

I like the 1st approach better. I found its better to learn each chord type in every key, before moving onto the next type. But, you can make your own routine for learning chords, whatever works for you, and try to make it as much fun as possible(with still getting the job done)... we all know chords can be boring in the beginning.

Also, dont forget your 9ths and 11ths and 13ths. VERY VERY VERY important to have patterns up in there fall under your fingers

[Tears June]

saxy_rich

Thanks. I never watch up 9th, 11th & 13th chord but need to learn in soon. Could you please advise if I'm correct or not for the below idea:

1) 9th Chord
Is it only reduce one semi-note based on the Major scale's 9th mode ?

Example:
C Major = C, D, E, F, G, A, B
9th mode = D
C9 chord = 1-3-5-9b = C, E, G, Db/C# ---- Correct or not ?

2) 11th Chord
Similar with 9th Chord, flat the 9th mode based on it Major scale.
11 mode on C Major = F
C11 chord = 1-3-5-11b = C, E, G, Fb/E ----- Correct or not?


3) 13th Chord
13 mode on C Major = A
C13 Chord = 1-3-5-13b = C, E, G, Ab/G# ---- Correct or not ?


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[Jazzed]

Tears,

We do not need to flatten the 9th or 11th or 13th... unless we want a flat 9th or flat 13th (a flat 11th would just be a major 3rd- more or less, so you won't see those).

I think you are getting this idea from the fact that we use a flat 7th in a 7th chord (known as a dominant 7th) -- that concept doesn't translate to these other extensions. (We still use the flat 7th in extended chords however.)

Just use the extended notes as they are written in the chord symbol.

Examples:

C9
C E G Bb D

C(b9)
C E G Bb Db

C11
C E G Bb (D) F

C13
C E G Bb (D) (F) A

C(b13)
C E G Bb (D) (F) Ab


I hopes this makes sense-- I'm sure others here can explain things a bit differently... and perhaps better!!

[chayjazz]

Tears...
chord studies are tedious, but a MUST if you want to learn Harmony and Jazz Improvising. It's true that there are some greats that just play by ear (Stan Getz :D ), but most musicians have a working knowledge of chords. Your doing the right thing, keep it up. Another way to break up your chord studies is to incorporate scale studies over the appropriate chord.

Play a scale pattern such as this over a C major chord ...CDEFDEFGEFGAFGABGABC..etc...

There are a lot of variations to work on, and tons of books written on the Scale/Chord relationship.

Keep grinding away at those chords, until you can play them in your sleep, it may seem boring but it'll help you on your quest to become a great musician :D .

[saxy_rich]

Jazzed is completely right... C9, C11, and C13 would be nothing like a C7... Everything in a C9 will be the same as a C, but the piano player will voice the D, so youll get some different characteristics...

Just keep at em, and although its killer boring at first... youll be SO glad you did it in the long run.

[Tears June]

Jazzed

Thank you so much.

1) Now, I udnerstand for 9th, 11th & 13th Chord, only need to flat on the 7th mode based on it's Major scale.


2) For 11th, it still need to add the 9th mode. For 13 the Chord, it need to include 9th & 11th mode as well.

3) What is the purpose you make blanket on D (9th mode) & F (11 mode) on the following Chord notes? just to remind me above point 2 - need to add 9th & 11th mode or other important meaning ?

:cry:

C11
C E G Bb (D) F

C13
C E G Bb (D) (F) A


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[Jazzed]

What is the purpose you make blanket on D (9th mode) & F (11 mode) on the following Chord notes? just to remind me above point 2 - need to add 9th & 11th mode or other important meaning ?

Tears,

The "( )" I put in were due to my double checking in a page from a piano book to verify that I did not give you incorrect information. That is how they had it written.

I believe they are wrtten out like that because a pianist would not want to play all the notes in the stack-- the chord would be too dense and cluttered. Having the option to leave out some notes allows the chord to "breathe"-- and gives us horn players some "space" in the chordal action when playing with pianists.

So all the notes I spelled out are technically in the chords.

[shauli]

hi, what i did in order to get chords to my bowel system is a daily run chromatically in these types of chords in a 1-3-5-7-8(1)-7-5-3-1, staccato, then a speedy legato, get your fingers gym nicely over these:
X7, Xmaj7, X-7, X-maj7, X-7b5, Xmaj7#5, X7#5, Xmaj7#11.
the diminished is practiced when i run over the dim scales.

after a few days of working this way you'll get great results. ovcourse other methods are great too, I don't think there is something that won't teach you anything, in the worst case it will teach you not to do something.

cheers.
Shauli.