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EZ
07-20-2006, 05:27 AM
A quick review of a couple Zinner C-Mel mouthpieces I purchased special order through SOTW's mosplace. Superb dealings there, by the way.

I purchased both a CT-78 and a CT-62 - both in a 7 facing. The 62 (.086" perfected) is a very slightly streamlined design with a squarish window and slightly higher baffle than the 78. The 78 (.084" perfected) is similar in design to a Meyer large chamber. Tonally, they are similar with the 62 having (to no surprise) a little brighter sound - either could be used to cross over from legit to jazz without offense on either side. I set up the facings at 23mm length and used tenor reeds. I like 25mm on Bb tenor, generally, so I decided 23 was the way to go.

The intonation with these pieces was fantastic. I had been making do with a Rico Royal A3 as no tenor pieces seemed to suit me on C-Mel, though a short shank soloist came close.

The warbling tendency was lessened considerably when playing with a RJS 3H, but came back a little when going with a softer but more agile Plasticover 2.5. A little extra air helped keep the waves clean. With practice, I'm sure that problem would be eliminated through a little muscle memory development.

Zinner uses fantastic hard rubber. The finishing of the pieces (table, curve, and rail quality) were quite good, though of course I felt a need to tweak a few things to make sure everything was as good as it could be. The tip rails were a little uneven in thickness, but perhaps only to an obsessive perfectionist like myself. For the price (about $125 a piece, shipped from Deutchland) I was quite impressed.

While the "unusual key" threw me off, I played through a little Eb Omnibook and really liked what I was hearing. A little more soulful than alto and a little more sprightly than tenor. I was also able to play through some of the Hite etude complilations with pleasing results, though it will take some time to get used to those pinky stretches as the ergos of my Series I New Wonder are maybe not so Wonder-ful.

So if you want your C-Mel to sound "like a saxophone", I highly recommend the Zinner pieces and further recommend SOTW's mosplace as a reliable source for obtaining these doo-dads.

It's been too long since I've played any other modern C-Mel piece to compare the Zinners to them, but the Zinners played so well and had such a reasonable price, I wouldn't feel a need to look elsewhere. Just a little hard to find!

C you later. Har dee har har...

cmelodysax
07-20-2006, 03:45 PM
Ed, I've got a tenor Zinner Strathon/Adjustotone that I use on a Martin C-Mel (usually with the tone slider mid-way). If you've ever used one of those, would you care to comment on how the tone compares with their 'C' pieces ?

I've long been a fan of Zinner blanks, I have an old tenor piece with a VERY dark tone, but still beefy. I seem to remember that Zinner does both a 'standard' and 'jazz' C-Mel mpc, which are these ?

Your review is much appreciated, thanks.

EZ
07-20-2006, 04:08 PM
The last Ajustotone I used was of "West German" vintage and for a bari sax, so I'm afraid I can't compare the two. I bought one each of the "Special" and the "standard" I suppose I'd call it. Can't remember which of the 62/78 was the "Special" off the top of my head (which is what they identify as the jazz model) - I think it's marked on the box - I'll have to come back with that information later. They difference between the two, tonally, wasn't night and day - more like 9:00 a.m. and post-afternoon tea.

They are the size of an alto mpc, so when I received them initially, I used an alto reed, but that did not do any better than other alto pieces in terms of warbling. I attribute that to the range being more tenor-like such that the tenor-cut reed response was probably more appropriate. I do actually have a box of Rico C-Melody reeds from way back when that I suppose I could try. See if one of those make a huge difference. To me, they just look like shortened tenor reeds anyhow - the vamp a hair closer to the tip.

Anyhow, the facings were "alto-ish" in length - maybe around 20mm (short for tenor in my book) - so when I set up the pieces, I lengthened the facing and set up the rails to match a tenor reed profile.

There was evidence that the pieces were hand-finished, but the workmanship was not 100% - more like 85%. I felt the price was fair considering the product.

cmelodysax
07-20-2006, 09:19 PM
Ed - thanks for that, I was rather hoping they'd be faced for tenor reeds.

Makes more sense as just about every other 'modern C-Mel mpc is faced for tenor reeds, rather than alto (or C-Mel, or bass clari) reeds. And sadly (as you know, it's your business) new 100% properly finished mouthpieces are becoming a bit of a rarity - unless you pay the price.

Pannonia
07-21-2006, 05:43 AM
I have been playing my Martin C with a Zinner Jazz (Rico Jazz reeds) for about a year and the setup really rocks. I own and tried many of the new issue C pieces out there, Beechler, LeBlanc and Runyon, but the Zinner Jazz has the best intonation and most modern tone of all. Big Thanks to Mosplace for getting me the Zinner!

spiderjames
08-06-2006, 01:59 PM
Ez sax, you are using a Conn C-mel? Curved or straight neck? I had a curved neck Conn a year or so ago and got an excellent modern tone with a metal tenor piece but could not get the intonation where I wanted it.

EZ
08-06-2006, 03:08 PM
Straight neck Conn New Wonder Series One.

AxelMario
08-10-2006, 01:35 PM
I am playing an mouthpiece by Zinner (Special) with an Buescher True Tone C Melody and both intonation and sound are very good.

paulwl
08-10-2006, 03:11 PM
So if you want your C-Mel to sound "like a saxophone"...as opposed to just sounding like a saxophone (no quotes), which it does already.
[lecture about Adolphe, barrel chamber, quote Berlioz, Rascher, ya da ya da etc etc.]

playing a 20's C-Sax without a sense of humour, can be trickyI hope you mean "without irony." Doing anything without a sense of humor is tricky. Besides, I know you have one; I read your posts...:D :D :D

EZ
08-10-2006, 03:13 PM
... as opposed to the "sound" one gets when playing a C-Mel with an original mouthpiece. :)

... not to mention the "intonation" obtained when using an original mpc...

cmelodysax
08-10-2006, 09:34 PM
Not all 'period' C-Mel mouthpieces are stuffy - I have a Naujoks Mclaughlin ebonite C-Melody mouthpiece with inlaid metal (silver ?) table, which I assume is from the 20's - or very close. It has a very fluid, almost edgy and more vibrant tone than any of the the standard 'stock' C-Mel pieces I've tried - and they do vary alarmingly. I must compare the internals one day....

I also have the modern Aquilasax 'stock' copy C-Mel piece, and a plastic Runyon C-Mel piece which do get played, and are both fine for a particular sound. Very necessary to keep 'one foot on the ground' when checking any possible intonation problems whilst using non-C-Mel (i.e. tenor) mouthpieces on a sax they weren't designed for.

I just may have to invest in a Zinner C-Mel piece, if only to keep some of my money this side of the Atlantic.... ( now, is that 'irony' or a poor attempt at 'humour'...? ) I suspect it's neither, justcommon sense. I've never heard anyone really put down any Zinner pieces (or blanks re-labelled) for the sound. Maybe the mechanism on the Strathon can get a bit leaky - never for me - but that's not a sound or intonation issue..

bruce bailey
08-11-2006, 07:35 AM
I think too many people want a C Melody to sound like a Tenor. It is not designed for a high baffle .110 metal mouthpiece. It is still best as a parlour horn played with the good 1920s Anglo/US old sound. I agree that some of the vintage pieces are really stuffy but the new c mothpieces can be a nice compromise.

chitownjazz
08-11-2006, 08:36 PM
I'm starting to accrue a collection of old C-melody mouthpieces from pieces mis-identified as alto on eBay. Just bought a Sinclair C1 and it appears that the C does indeed refer to C-melody. Now I have to get my C-melody overhauled so I can give them a try.

Question to those of you who characterize these mouthpieces as stuffy: do you like Rudy Wiedoeft's sound on C-melody? I assume he must have used a large-chamber mouthpiece. Isn't that all there was in the 20s? Although I did hear that he used an alto mouthpiece on C-melody, maybe that made a difference.

chitownjazz
08-11-2006, 08:39 PM
...Har dee har har...
Who the heck was it that said that? It was a cartoon character, right? For the life of me I can't recall which one.

bruce bailey
08-12-2006, 07:20 AM
I remember GLeason (Ralph Kramden) saying that to Alice.

EZ
08-12-2006, 12:11 PM
Who the heck was it that said that? It was a cartoon character, right? For the life of me I can't recall which one.

Bugs Bunny.

chitownjazz
08-12-2006, 03:49 PM
Bugs Bunny.
Oh yea, I think I remember something about him ;)

AMASAX
09-19-2006, 04:11 AM
A quick review of a couple Zinner C-Mel mouthpieces I purchased special order through SOTW's mosplace. Superb dealings there, by the way.


please elaborate where you ordered these mthpces, not sure what you mean.
thx

mosplace
09-19-2006, 02:14 PM
You can order them over me. I'm not sure, who is selling them in the States.

EZ
09-19-2006, 03:10 PM
please elaborate where you ordered these mthpces, not sure what you mean.
thx

Look up SOTW member "mosplace" in the directory and send them a message. They'll instruct you on what to do.