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[luther66]

Hi, ive just mastered the vibreto by moving the bottom jaw,i was doing it with breath control as it was a natural thing to me being a singer,but now it is so easy,i done it all on my own ,no teacher,great!

[gary]

So you've been playing what now, four or five months? And you mastered vibrato? My hat's off to you.

[luther66]

Thanks gary,it just all of a sudden came to me,i can add it in my ballads that i play,but to be honest my diaphram vibreto seems more stable and natural.

[jazzbluescat]

Thanks gary,it just all of a sudden came to me,i can add it in my ballads that i play,but to be honest my diaphram vibreto seems more stable and natural.
Is vibreto the same as vibrato? If so, nice. You vary it to fit the situation, I assume?:)

[fballatore]

So you've been playing what now, four or five months? And you mastered vibrato? My hat's off to you.
Hey Gary -

I mastered my tone after less than a year, and you never tipped you hat to me...

:(

[Sassaphone]

Ivé been playing for five years, and as of yet I have not mastered anything.

[gary]

Hey Gary - I mastered my tone after less than a year, and you never tipped you hat to me...
Hey! I got yer tone, Frank. Tip THIS! :D

Well, you know, you gotta give credit where credit's due. I just finished a practice session on a modern "classical" piece with a fairly slow, melodic first movement that was a reality check on my vibrato. That's after a number of years of playing and I've still not mastered vibrato; you know - varying its speed and width; turning it on and off; using it with equal control at all volumes and in all ranges...still a challenge to me sometimes.

[Dave Dolson]

Luther: Depending on what type of music you are playing, diaphragm vibrato can work. While I use jaw vibrato (probably excessively), I wish I could do the diaphragm bit. If you are trying to emulate Sidney Bechet and are playing original jazz, that diaphragm vibrato will be wonderful. DAVE

[luther66]

Diaphram vibrato in singing comes as a natural thing,the breath control comes from the muscles of the diaphram and with the larynx relaxed, with the larynx relaxed the breath passes over it and causes a pulse in the air pipe,any sighn of the muscle in the throat tightening causes the stream of air to flow at a different direction and the control becomes weak,giving a weak sound and off pitch with no vibrato.I dont think its the point of being able to do vibrato with the jaw i think its more knowing when to do it and when not to.

[Sadie]

Ivé been playing for five years, and as of yet I have not mastered anything.

Good call; me neither. There's always more work to be done, no matter how good you are at something. I wouldn't want to think I was as good as I could possibly be at anything; I like feeling like I can move forward.

That being said, good job at getting a handle on that vibrato.

-Sadie

[luther66]

Thanks sadie,i think ill stick to the diaphram vibrato,i feel more natural about it.

[jazzbluescat]

Thanks sadie,i think ill stick to the diaphram vibrato,i feel more natural about it.
I've tried the diaphram vib once of twice, doing it with the jaw/lip is easier, easier to control and vary, IMO. This becomes increasingly important when you need to blend with a group. Plus, the diaphram vib sounds weird, again IMO.

[Razzy]

I use jaw vibrato on saxes and clarinet, and diaphragm vibrato on flute. I find these the only really appropriate and comfortable methods for me and my arenas of playing: mostly classical, straight-ahead jazz, and big band. Most doubles that I have worked and/or studied with use the same methods, and it seems to work great for them too. Best of luck!

[JPSaxMan]

In my case, I was doing vibrato naturally and never realized what I was doing until someone brought it to my attention. I can do vibrato exercises at speeds above 280 bpm. I had a friend who wanted me to do an exercise where I'd do a vibrato bend for every quarter note in a scale, doing four quarter notes per pitch then moving up and down the scale (at 280 bpm). I did this, then sub-divided it so essentialy I was doing vibrato at 560 bpm. It started to get a tad shaky around there, but it's just natural for me. I'm a lucky puppy. 8-)

[luther66]

jp,what a load of cobbelers,like i said,vibrato is a natural thing and sounds natural in any music,it gives the notes warmth and feeling.The saxophone has a disturbing ability to mimik the human voice,vibrato comes from the human voice,no instrument in the world has vibrato naturally except the human singing voice,i rest my case!.

[JPSaxMan]

Agreed Luther! 8-)

[GHawk]

no instrument in the world has vibrato naturally except the human singing voice,i rest my case!.


Not even the flute? How do you define "naturally"? Lay some wisdom on me.