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yorkie
02-09-2006, 04:14 PM
I am the father of a saxophonist so please bear with my inferior sax experience.

I felt compelled to share my experience with zachary music and their zeus 750 alto sax. With thousands of sax's on the market and my limited knowlege I went on the web searching for the best horn I could buy for my budget. I came upon Zeus instruments but could not find any unbiased reviews. I took a chance and here are the results:

First off Zachary music is the mother company with Alex Zachary the owner. All others are dealers who order the instruments from Alex.
If you are dealing with one of the dealers do not e-mail Alex as a harsh reply will follow. He forgets who works for him and who is the customer. I then called him directly and apologized for offending him but I only wanted to get more information about his saxophones.

I ordered a 750 alto sax in black nickle finish. My son loved the looks but we were still taking a chance on this little known instrument. We received the instrument in a few days and at first everything was fine. Within a few weeks our troubles began. First an Eb pad fell off during my son's jazz band practice and needed to be reglued, no problem, we took it to our local repairman and had it taken care of. A few weeks later the neck cork became unglued and again we had it repaired. Within a week the low C# pad would not go down when the key was depressed. Again we had this repaired but apparently the adjustments are touchy so it did not last long and it needed to be readjusted. However after the third repair I called Alex and he told me that the pad and cork issues are normal with saxes from normal use and that I need to find a repairman that knew what he was doing. He offered to give me the name of a repairman but was not willing to pay for the repairs. Again I had the spring adjusted but in another week the neck collar fell off the sax. I promptly called Alex again to either fix or replace my son's horn but he would not return my calls. I e-mailed him but again he would not respond.

This is the extent of his customer service. Do not believe his return policy because he has none. If it is on his site please show me because I could not find it anywhere. There is only a broad statement of returning the sax for a refund but I would fear sending the sax back and receiving nothing in return.

I found a regional selmer technician and had him look over the sax. The neck collar was never soldered. He also looked at the troublesome spring mechanism and said that particular design has always been troublesome and disengaged one of the springs which does not effect the sound in as much as you only hear a slight tapping when the pad closes. In the past six months the instrument has been trouble free. As I told Alex on a phone message, when the sax is together and working properly it has beautiful tone but it has not been dependable.

I have not heard from Alex and doubt I ever will. The amount of down time and cost of repairs would definitely deter me from ever purchasing one of his instruments. I definitely would not deal with him on the point of his lack of people skills or lack of customer support.

I hope this is helpful to any Zeus info seekers. I wish more people would speak the truth to prevent situations like I found myself in.

hornimus
02-09-2006, 05:09 PM
Thanks for sharing.

Sounds like a nightmare in slow motion. I certainly hope this has not affected your son's desire to play. That is the main concern. Get him something better when you can, a name brand from a dealer you can trust. He deserves it. Perusing SOTW should help. If anything, avoiding these new, little-known brands would be playing it safe. They may be copies of better-known makes and models from Selmer or Yanagisawa, but often they "aren't there yet" in terms of reliability or durability.

As to Zeus, I'm puzzled why they ever had their own forum here. They should be in the miscellaneous brands section, if at all. They are even less known than many of the other globalization-driven clones. Having them listed together with so many long-established brands could give newcomers the wrong impression about their quality or track record.

Chris S
02-09-2006, 05:28 PM
FWIW, Zeus got it's own section because there was quite a fuss over them when they first came out (much the Mauraits now... which I play for the moment). Yes, they've died out, etc. and it might so happen in the future that this sub forum is dissolved and all posts moved to the miscellanious sub-forum.

Chris S
SOTW Moderator

hornimus
02-09-2006, 05:43 PM
I've been here a few years but must have missed the Zeus fanfare.

What to do? There are other relatively recent clone brands that have their own subforums here: Antigua, Cannonball, Monique, Winston....

Then we have a few brands in the Vintage fringe that have their supporters as well. Something other than contemporary brand recognition and alphabetical order seems needed. Country of origin maybe?

Chris S
02-09-2006, 05:48 PM
The mods/admins have discussed that idea, however it would be impractical, because there are sometimes two countries of origin (Selmer Paris, and Selmer USA, which were... at one time a single company). And with the new horns, it's nigh impossible. The Mauriats are made with French brass in Taiwan, from an American design based on a French saxophone....

Chris S

hornimus
02-09-2006, 06:04 PM
I see your point. Brands like Selmer-USA no longer make anything in the USA at all, do they? Most if not all their sax models are now imported. Ditto Conn- or Buescher-labeled models.

Dave dix
02-09-2006, 06:10 PM
Wheres zacharymusic gone ? I loved reading the posts!!!
Dave

Hurling Frootmig
02-09-2006, 07:21 PM
Yorkie,

As time moves on and your son improves buy him a quality horn like the Yamaha 62 or Yanagisawa 901. They're pro horns and they're very well made with a good (or great depending on who you ask) tone. Now tone is to a large degree up to the player but these horns won't get in the way of your son. If you want to spend more there's always the Yamaha 82Z, Yamaha 875, Selmer Paris horns (serie II, serie III, Reference series), Yanagisawa 991/992, and Keilwerth SX90R.

In the mean time invest in some lessons with a private instructor and take their advice about when to upgrade his horn.

yorkie
02-09-2006, 08:21 PM
thanks,

My son now has an excellent jazz teacher. Oh what a difference a quality teacher makes. As for the yamaha yas-62, from unbiased reviews this appears to be a pretty good bet based on the price to quality ratio. We start High School next year so if he keeps progressing we may be looking to upgrade in a few years. Thanks again for the advice.

gary
02-09-2006, 11:57 PM
I'm glad the emphasis in this thread is supportive of the father and son, so I hesitated to bring this up at all but just in case anyone is reading about Zeus for the first time and might be tempted...there was a big flap on a major trumpet forum about Zachary. This guy seems to have a major attitude problem and the concensus was to stay away...far away.