Voldemort models coming soon?

[pknight]

Several years ago I exchanged an email with former SOTW columnist Paul Coats, I think about an altissimo fingering chart that he had mentioned. I guess he keeps his emails, since I found a message from him in my inbox this morning about new LA Sax models designed by Steve Goodson. I suspect that many of the members here received the same email.

The "LA Sax" line is supposedly a student line that is equivalent to other makers' pro lines. The most interesting claim in this section of the email was that Goodson has designed Yanagisawa saxophones.

The "Steve Goodson" line has tenors and altos just under $3000. According to Coats' message these come with an altissimo key that is the greatest thing since, well, anything! To quote: "With this, Steve and L. A. Sax are setting a new standard of what is expected on professional instruments. Other manufacturers will either follow, or have to get out of the way. " This should sound familiar to many of you, but last time it was the third octave vent, not an altissimo key.

The "Saxgourmet" line altos and tenors will be over $6000. According to Coats, they look like Miss America and walk on water (my interpretation of his comments). Among a long list of future projects was a "Category Five" (???) model of this line with the aforementioned third octave vent. I hate to imagine what that will sell for.

Who knows? These instruments may be just wonderful, and they may even reach the market! There is plenty of room for skepticism, however.

[gary]

So. If they don't come in leapord skin I'm not interested. :D

[Grumps]

I've got an easy button as well. It's called "Report Spam".

If you want to have fun with it, write Paul back and ask him what country these saxophones are being made in. Rick Fenno reported on this very site that they're being made in the PRC. When asked on alt.music.saxophone, Goodson would not say where the saxophones are being manufactured; claiming a confidentiality agreement precludes him from disclosing his vendors. As if someone asked him who his vendors were... priceless.

Step right up...

[gary]

Well, the saxes could be great, who knows. If they get made and distributed they might very well give Selmer, Yanigasawa, Yamaha and Keilwerth a run for their money. We'll have to wait and see.

However, I know hyperbole is common in advertising in many countries but it makes me uncomfortable when I read something like San Antonio might become another Elkhart, a statement which, I suppose, is made to elevate the reputation the "many" instruments coming from there. But if memory serves, Elkhart had many top instrument companies where the instruments were assembled by hand. That is, a manufacturing centre, usually with master (Meister) craftsmen at each factory. I am under the impression that the San Antonio companies are merely importers. If that is the case, it is hardly another Elkhart, sorry.

Not that it can't happen (might be to our benefit) but at this stage to predict that these instruments will make famous French and Japanese companies scramble to be in 4th place again seems a bit more hyperbole, if not premature.

I hadn't realised, BTW, that, ww&bw aside, LA Sax was one of the larger names in the business. Maybe that's compared to Hung Fu saxes, don't know.

I am glad that sinjarah pasted the email so we can draw our own conclusions, though, and I particularly enjoyed the first-hand update on the everyday situation in N.O. As for the saxes, we all stand to benefit if LA Sax turns out the next holy grails at reasonable prices, pushing my Keilwerth SX 90R and your Selmer References or Yamaha Z's to the back of the bus. I wait with bait on my breath. :D

[Bill Mecca]

get those worms off your tongue Gary!! eeewwwww!

[Mike Ruhl]

I thought he meant he had sushi for dinner...

[sinjarah]

All saxophones are hand assembled since there is no way to automate the process. The legendary craftsmen of Elhart are long gone and have been replaced with equally skilled craftsmen elsewhere who have better tools and materials to work with. What it really gets down to is the original design and the manufacturing execution. The Asians have shown us that they can build many products cheaper and much better than anyone else in the world. Just look at the automobile and electronics businesses and ask yourself why saxophones should be any different. The fact of the matter is that if you have a good design and good quality control, lower manufacturing costs will enable you to dominate a given sector of the market. Materials are materials no matter where in the world they come from: French brass of a specific chemical composition is no different from brass made in Thailand that uses the same formula. The fact of the matter is that the best horns are coming from Asia these days, and we need to get used to it. I remember the days when we all made fun of Toyota, now it's the most popular car in the world. I believe there is a certain amount of implied racism in prejudice against Asian products, and that those who criticise them should look around at some of the products they use daily in their everyday life. The only thing that matters is how the horn plays for you.

[bronzZoot]

If students play out of tune with these, it will be their fault, not the instruments.

So I guess it comes with magic "your students will play in tune" powder too. Because its possible to make an instrument play completely in tune through design. The marketing on this saxophone has already made me take it less seriously.

:evil:

sinjarah, I like what you said. Hit the nail right on the head: not everyone is the same and it matters how the horn plays for you.

[gary]

Just so there's no misunderstanding regarding racism, although not oriental, I was raised among orientals in both Japan and Hawaii and there is not a bone of anti-oriental racism in my body.

Regarding the source of the horns, as soon as Taiwan starts beating out Lady Faces and Mark VI's at a fraction of the cost I'll be standing in line. But that hasn't happened and San Antonio is no Elkhart.

[Grumps]

The fact of the matter is that the best horns are coming from Asia these days, and we need to get used to it.

That just may be true, but it says more for lowered standards and watered down expectations. Until they go back to making horns the way they did with the vintage American/French models, giving them the individual, hand-made attention of years past, they will always pale in comparison. Modern cookie-cutter sax production may guarantee consistency, but also mediocrity.

As for racist implications in questioning where a horn is made, I'm sorry, but those are legitimate concerns. I know of no truly pro-level horn being made now in China, so when China appears to be the country of origin, buyers should know; especially when a horn is billed as being a professional model. That the designer continues to withhold publicizing the country of origin, despite the fact that all such products sold in the US will designate the country of origin on the given product, is mind boggling. If you doubt me, simply to go to alt.music.saxophone, read the designer's own statements and figure out for yourself whether or not his claims are specious.

As for Mr. Coats' solicitation, I really do wish someone will write him back and ask where the horns are being manufactured. He should be able to answer that as he's seen the horns in the possession of the designer; who admitted on alt.music.saxophone that the country of origin is clearly marked on the horns (although he refused to divulge what that country was). Go ahead... ask him and let us know if he responds.

[Bill Mecca]

Grumps,

Just a thought...maybe he can't or won't name the country of origin, because there isn't one.

[Mike Ruhl]

OK, I gotta ask: what's "Voldemort" mean?

[Bill Mecca]

reference to Harry Potter?

[Mike Ruhl]

Chris Potter?

[draper]

Chris Potter?

It's sort of like Chris Potter, but with a wand instead of a sax, and everyone wants to kill him.

Voldemort is the bad guy.

[gary]

Mike, this'll help you out with the Lord Voldemort and other such references including why I subtitled my responses with " He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voldemort

You obviously don't have any 8-16 year olds at home do you? :)

[Mike Ruhl]

You obviously don't have any 8-16 year olds at home do you? :)Au contraire! My son just turned 11 last week, and my daughter will be 6 on 2/28. We just don't allow the Harry Potter books.

btw, the Chris Potter thing was joke, I say, a joke, son. You're supposed to laugh.

[Pete Thomas]

As for racist implications in questioning where a horn is made, I'm sorry, but those are legitimate concerns. I know of no truly pro-level horn being made now in China, so when China appears to be the country of origin, buyers should know; especially when a horn is billed as being a professional model. That the designer continues to withhold publicizing the country of origin, despite the fact that all such products sold in the US will designate the country of origin on the given product, is mind boggling. If you doubt me, simply to go to alt.music.saxophone, read the designer's own statements and figure out for yourself whether or not his claims are specious.

I also had my mind boggled by Steve Goodson's refusal to state the country of origin, quoting a confidentiality agreement when there need be no confidentialty if it is information readily in the public domain. A strange way ensure confidence in your product. I know people here in the UK who own Steve Goodson saxophones but would not now consider one of these new ones.

You will also see on a.m.s that Tim price, a man whose reputation I respect, has seen where these horns are from, and although he did not divulge where it was, has emphatically denied that it is China.

I find it quite odd if the horns are from China or Taiwan, that anyone would try to hide that fact in this day and age. Currently there are some student horns coming from both these countries that are staggeringly good fore the cost. This leads me to believe that if someone could design, manufacture and, very importantly, ensure quality control, a saxophone only slightly more expensive than the current crop of student horns from these countries could really give "the big 4" a run for their money. (The "student" saxophones I'm talking about are instruments in the £200 - £400 price range that I could easily use on a gig or session)

[Bill Mecca]

Pete,

I thnk you are right on. Now, the only logical reason I can think of for not divulging if a product is produced in China or Taiwan is money.... you might have a difficult time selling them as high priced horns, when that area is known for low production costs.

Which reminds me of when I was a news guy, one of the US senators I interviewed had done a study on sweatshops and where items were the least costly to produce, guess where? (now I am going back to the mid 1980's)

[gary]

If you doubt me, simply to go to alt.music.saxophone...Off-topic, but I just go round and round trying to access this site via Google and have done so periodically, not just this evening. Can someone please give me a direct URL address so, once and for all, I can see what this site is all about? Thanks.

[sinjarah]

I don't understand the "watered down expectations" statement. Horns are better today than ever. If you don't believe me, just get out your tuner and check old vs. new ones.

I don't undersand what the problem is with someone abiding by a confidentiality agreement. They're very common in my line of work, and if Goodson agreed to not reveal what he knows, then kudos to him for keeping the agreement. If the country of origin is disclosed somewhere on the horn itself, I don't see the problem unless you're just bored with your life and want to bitch at Goodson.

So now we've got someone who says they're not made in China, and someone who says they are. If the horn plays as advertised, who cares?

[saxmanjack]

You're the one who keeps going on and on about it. And by the way, there's a difference between racism and nationalism.

[Pete Thomas]

Off-topic, but I just go round and round trying to access this site via Google and have done so periodically, not just this evening. Can someone please give me a direct URL address so, once and for all, I can see what this site is all about? Thanks.

Try:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.saxophone?lnk=sg&hl=en

Or for the relevant thread:

http://tinyurl.com/8yps9 (hope that works)

It's unmoderated - there are some offensive nutters there as you might imagine.

But better still if your ISP has a news server, you can set up a newsgroup account and view a.m.s in a more friendly interface usiing a Newsreader such as Outlook Express, Entourage, Thunderbird where you can choose many different ways of viewing (threaded, dated sender etc.)

[Stacey]

On a now apparently-defunct forum, it was announced that these instruments will go into production immediately after the NAMM show.

Not the NAMM show held a few weeks ago - summer NAMM.
No, not the one in 2006 - the NAMM show in Anaheim in July 2005.

Hopefully these will all be available soon, so the naysayers and yea-sayers can check them out for themselves.


In the meantime, I'll go back to practicing on my soon-to-be-inferior Selmer Paris alto and soprano. I'm embarrassed to be playing on such subpar equipment. Rouse me when you've located something better, please, so I can unload these crappy Selmers.

[gary]

Thanks Pete! Bill was also nice enough to PM me the address.

Hilarious! Not only your link but I just finished reading a thread -I can't even remember the subject now- where He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named and a certain guy with a name like the three guys in the biblical fiery pit Youshack, Meshack, and Abedwego. Sad. I feel there's some dilusional behaviour there.

But Pete - you got off a great shot, which I won't repeat here but I'm impressed, LOL.

[Mike Ruhl]

So now we've got someone who says they're not made in China, and someone who says they are. If the horn plays as advertised, who cares?I do, Steve, um, I mean, sinjarah... :oops:

A Chinese horn may play well out of the box, but how is it going to hold up over time? The big four have proven track records. I don't buy the first model-year of anything. And given your history - um, I mean, given Goodson's history with this design, I'm not sure I'd ever trust it...

[Mark5047]

L. A. Sax line: Alto and tenor--these saxes appear to be very similar to Steve's Yanagisawa 993.

and

I got the same email from Paul, and I think you need to see an eye care professional. It doesn't say anything about Goodson designing the Yanigasawa. Here's a cut and paste of what I got from Paul in its entirety:


Sorry to be nitpicky, but isnt that trying to say Steve made the 993? Or am I reading too much into this?

[Mike Ruhl]

I think he was referring to a Yanagisawa that Goodson owns. Except there is no Yanangisawa 993 model. There's a 991 and a 992, and a 9930 and 9937, but no 993. Details, details...

[gary]

...there is no Yanangisawa 993 model. There's a 991 and a 992, and a 9930 and 9937, but no 993.

Well, you can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Ray-Jay....

[Grumps]

I don't understand the "watered down expectations" statement. Horns are better today than ever. If you don't believe me, just get out your tuner and check old vs. new ones.

I have. I don't find new Selmers any more in tune than old ones; some worse. As to those perfect pitch imports, what good is an in tune horn if you hate how it sounds? A decent player is going to get around intonational quirks in any horn, old or new, real or imagined. Sound should be number one, and if you truly like the way the new imports are playing, by all means. Enjoy. But understand, there's going to be a difference of opinion.

I don't see the problem unless you're just bored with your life and want to bitch at Goodson.

Well let's see... so far you've spent half your posts here either defending him or promoting his products. If you can't see the problem, well... it's understood.

[Hurling Frootmig]

So far most of what I have seen out of Taiwan and China have been copies of other well known horns. The best of what I have seen seems to use the best ideas from multiple well known horns. All of them still seem to have Selmer Serie II keywork and ergonomics.

I think that one of these days one of the makers out of Taiwan or China or somewhere else might just build something that performs better, is better built, and costs less than what I can buy new from Yamaha or Selmer. I'm still not giving up my VI's or my vintage horns but at least I could buy something different :D

[JMac]

Well, you can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Ray-Jay....But can I call you 'Are Jay Jay Jay Are'? ;)

[Joe Jazz]

I must say that it pains me to see Paul's name in the same sentence as Steve's.....I have always had the utmost respect for Paul......:(

[pknight]

OK, I gotta ask: what's "Voldemort" mean?

He who must not be named.

[pknight]

Sorry to be nitpicky, but isnt that trying to say Steve made the 993? Or am I reading too much into this?

That's how I interpreted it in my original post. Why would Coats specify Voldemort's 993? Would it not be similar to ALL 993s?

[sinjarah]

Looks pretty clear to me that Paul intended to say that Steve owns one, since "Steve's" is possessive. I don't see anything anywhere about him designing the horn. I can't see that there is anything more to it than that.

[gary]

Looks pretty clear to me that Paul intended to say that Steve owns one, since "Steve's" is possessive. I don't see anything anywhere about him designing the horn. I can't see that there is anything more to it than that.That makes two of us.

"...these saxes appear to be very similar to Steve's Yanagisawa 993."
Steve has a Yanagisawa. These saxes look a lot like them.
Steve must have designed the Yanagisawas because they look like another horn he designed.

Baboons like bananas. Steve likes bananas. Therefore Steve is a baboon. Logic 101. Or?

[Joe Jazz]

Bafoon?:? Me, I hate bananas!

[Mark5047]

Gary - yer KILLIN me!!

In reading it a second time I do see it differently. Steve owns a Yani. Comparing the two they look alike. Got it.
How do you know he likes bananas though? Maybe you should write his autobiography.

[Hurling Frootmig]

I think he meant 9930 not 993. I wouldn't mind having a Yanagisawa 9930. Sweet unaffordable horn!

[pknight]

Looks pretty clear to me that Paul intended to say that Steve owns one, since "Steve's" is possessive. I don't see anything anywhere about him designing the horn. I can't see that there is anything more to it than that.

OK, I agree that you are probably correct, although "Steve's" would be possessive in either case (e.g., the Model T is very frequently described as "Henry Ford's Model T"). However, IF there were a Yani 993, and this L.A Sax prototype looked like one, I would describe it as looking like a 993, not as looking like a particular person's 993. That, combined with a long history of reading outrageous claims from a certain source, probably biased my interpretation of Coats' comments. Unfortunately, Coats' decision to withdraw from SOTW and post his articles exclusively on the Saxgourmet site means that he won't be clearing things up for us here. But you are most certainly correct.

Joe Jazz expressed regret that Coats was associating himself with Voldemort. What I wonder about is L.A. Sax's decision to be associated with this individual. Of course, Voldemort's sales skills have never been in doubt. Maybe we should call him The Shadow...with the power to cloud men's minds. :twisted:

[GHawk]

If all Drebs are Vibs and some Vibs are Blats, are all Drebs Blats? Sorry....I couldn't resist.

Now...back to topic....I've been a Selmer guy for over 30 years. They've been making saxes longer than anyone and they're pretty good at it...there, I said it. Modern Selmers ARE more in tune than the old VIs and SBAs...there, I said THAT. Can open...worms everywhere. Selmers are good horns if you get a good one (another topic). Can they be better? YES...LOTS BETTER and the prices are just INSANE. I just sold a Serie III soprano and kept an Antigua 590. Taiwanese manufacturing and technology are amazingly good and the horns actually play very well. Have these Taiwanese saxes surpassed some of the "Big Four"? In some aspects, yes.

Free enterprise is being encouraged and promoted in China (PRC). The "Big Four" had better take note just as someone pointed out about the U.S. auto industry. They'd better start caring about quality control and product development and the price of a new instrument will have to be COMPETETIVE. The days of eating escargot and counting the money are over. I don't care where it's from, but what it is. This is a good thing if you're a sax player. Exciting times. I suspect that others will feel the same. Give me the better playing horn...period. Short choppy sentences...exclamation point.

BTW, the answer is NO. There'll be a test later.

[Joe Jazz]

If we called him the Shadow, that might cast one on Keilwerth.....8-)

[Stacey]

Can open...worms everywhere.

:D I love it! I'm going to have to remember that phrasing and use it in my work-related email from time to time. "Can open... worms everywhere." :D

[Morry]

I like Paul Coats very much. He has always been a good businessman and very cordial to me.

Having said that, to say that the big 4 will be playing catchup to whats-his-name's new fangled super sax would seem to be over-the-top hyperbole based on the designer's past performance.

[Harri Rautiainen]

...................
I am glad that sinjarah pasted the email so we can draw our own conclusions, though, and I particularly enjoyed the first-hand update on the everyday situation in N.O. As for the saxes, we all stand to benefit if LA Sax turns out the next holy grails at reasonable prices, pushing my Keilwerth SX 90R and your Selmer References or Yamaha Z's to the back of the bus. I wait with bait on my breath. :D

sinjarah's copy-and-paste was mere commercial shilling, and has been now removed. Referring salient points or linking to a web site would have been acceptable.

[sinjarah]

I apologize profusely if my quoting was percieved as "commerical shilling". Having read the many posts about other products, particularly those of Dave Kessler, I thought I was in line with policy. I'll be more careful in the future.

[Grumps]

That's odd... weren't you defending Mr. Kessler not too long ago on this very site? Or were you just trying to point out that other dealers got chased out of here unfairly to garner sympathy for your past plight? Either way, your venom is leaking with that last post.

Sure you'll see a lot of posts and recommendations for Mr. Kessler, but I'll tell you what you won't see in regard to him or his business:

-Complaints regarding his customer service
-Complaints regarding his shop's work
-Complaints that he shipped lesser valued horns in place of ones sent to him for repair
-Complaints regarding failure to return phone calls
-Complaints regarding unreturned deposits or undelivered horns

But will we find them about you, sinjarah?
Your latitude is showing...

[sinjarah]

I'm not aware of any of the above complaints that you list against Mr. Kessler, and never intended to imply that I had any problems with him. My response to the forum owner was only about the fact that many people are having their products discussed here, both by the dealers themselves and by their customers, and that it was never my intent to engage in shilling for anyone. I've posted favorable comments about several companies I've had the pleasure to do business with in the past, but will not do so in the future.

[gary]

Boy, I must be missing something completely. Personally, I don't recall reading anything at face value from sinjarah that is nearly as crass as a few of you seem to be implying. I may not be the only one.

I would suggest either expose him so it is obvious that there is more than meets the eye -because, for example, neither of the latest posts above have any malice to them on the surface yet they are being treated as such- or reconsider how you are going to respond. The only agressiveness I am reading is being directed to him, not from him. Please give me a better perspective.

[Grumps]

Voldemort has joined us.

[gary]

Thank you sir. I would divulge the name of the dastardly offender for those who might be in the dark, but
He Cannot Be Named !! ;)

...or can he?

BTW - how can you post if you've been banned? Not a challenge, just a question. I thought you couldn't do this; switching URL's?

[Grumps]

Yeah, I mean just look at this:

I'm not aware of any of the above complaints that you list against Mr. Kessler

As if those complaints were ever lodged against Mr. Kessler. Just look how sinjarah rephrases it... The intellectual dishonesty is classic.

[hornimus]

If the entanglement strategy is accurate, then Voldemort surely prefers free press of any kind. If I were Harri, I'd ban every thread on the subject, and delete all of these. The guy has been banned, right, but still has the connections to shill-it-up pre-market right here on SOTW. Responses in any form are encouragement. I could give a flying * what the next bigshot pro player has to say about the superduper techno horn. Let Voldemort's horn succeed on its merits (or not) but why provide exposure here for the potential economic gain of someone who is the subject of still-unresolved questions about his past business practices?
Doesn't LA Sax have the money to run their own, independent promotional campaigns?

[Joe Jazz]

Amen, brudder!:!:

[kcp]

I apologize profusely if my quoting was percieved as "commerical shilling". Having read the many posts about other products, particularly those of Dave Kessler, I thought I was in line with policy. I'll be more careful in the future.

Sorry to interrupt, I just feel the need to clarify something:
Our forum has an area espescially for dealers to post about their products: "New Product Announcements (http://www.saxontheweb.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=51)" and we also have an area for members to discuss/compare products and service in: "Dealer Evaluations + Technician & Business Directory (http://www.saxontheweb.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=56)" but that doesn't mean shilling is accepted on this forum.

Our mods and admins reserve the right to remove any content that is either in the wrong place or juged inapropriate - If you feel we are mistaken, contact one of our forum admins. Same goes if you have questions about our policies.

[Harri Rautiainen]

If the entanglement strategy is accurate, then Voldemort surely prefers free press of any kind. If I were Harri, I'd ban every thread on the subject, and delete all of these. The guy has been banned, right, but still has the connections to shill-it-up pre-market right here on SOTW. Responses in any form are encouragement.What we know so far is that sinjarah is well connected to the industry, and obviously a skilled repairman. He seems to have a desire to promote Asian-made saxophones, and cleverly promoting LA Sax Goodson and Saxgourmet models via Paul Coats, also on this forum.

What is known from geography is that the Saudi-Arabian location Sinjarah is on the same latitude as New Orleans.
But do we know enough?

[Joe Jazz]

Your honor, we the jury find the defendant guilty of impersonating a human being with ethics and sound business practices.......and of having 666 tatooed on his scalp.......:evil:

[rabbit]

Correction: make that "616"

[Joe Jazz]

Oops, you're right! Got my area codes mixed up. New Orleans is 616......or MK6 in the old days....

[Grumps]

Guess you gotta think like a Batman villain to follow this one...
http://www.earthsearch.net/map_code.php?earth=&long=42.6666667&lat=29

[Joe Jazz]

Who ever said you can't be smart and play the sax obviously didn't know youse guys!8-)

[Harri Rautiainen]

Who ever said you can't be smart and play the sax obviously didn't know youse guys!8-)
I tried to learn trombone, but really could not hack it. Do I still have hope? :)

[Harri Rautiainen]

Guess you gotta think like a Batman villain to follow this one...
http://www.earthsearch.net/map_code.php?earth=&long=42.6666667&lat=29Certainly I am not in liberty of revealing the location of individual SOTW members.

I can only say that it is an interesting theory... :)

[Joe Jazz]

Yes, but the fact that you even thought of that theory lets me know why you are the big cheese around here! My hat is off to you on that one! And why would any one who'd had a chance to play sax even care about the existence of trombones?:?

[Harri Rautiainen]

........
And why would any one who'd had a chance to play sax even care about the existence of trombones?:?
I do not know if this is a global phenomen. But at least we in Finland have a shortage of amateur trombonists in big bands.
If I want to hold on my seat in saxophone section, I have to parctice.

[Randall]

Harri,
it may be global....my salsa band has two trombone players that we, well....could do without. There aren't many to start with, and there sure aren't many good ones out there.
We lost our good one to grad school (Manhattan school under Steve Turre) and now he is in NYC gigging with Bobby Sanabria and lots of other greats.

And Harri, it isn't too late to learn trombone!
Look toward a valve trombone first...it is a bit easier.

[Joe Jazz]

Harri, do not listen to the call of the dark side...resist it you must......8-)

[Harri Rautiainen]

Harri,
it may be global....my salsa band has two trombone players that we, well....could do without. There aren't many to start with, and there sure aren't many good ones out there.I have seen lot of promising talent amongst trombonists.

Yes, they promise to come to the gig or practice, but.....

[Stacey]

I thought the standard advice given to new band directors was

"Don't pay any attention to the trombone players - you'll only encourage them."

[Grumps]

As a sax player, you know you had a bad gig when that wild, alluring woman in the crowd comes on to the trombone player...

[gary]

As a sax player, you know you had a bad gig when that wild, alluring woman in the crowd comes on to the trombone player...
Must have something to do with that slide ointment in their cases.

[JMac]

Or that they know 7 different positions?

But dear, I can flutter tongue!!!1:shock:

[gary]

Or that they know 7 different positions?
LOL. Careful. Marty needs a jail cell partner. ;)

[DD3]

This is the first of March. Does anyone know if the new models are now in the hands of the dealers as has been stated here?

[pknight]

The Spring/Summer WWBW catalog came yesterday, and they have the lower-priced line of Goodson LA Sax models in the back, on the "What's New" page. However, no sign of the "Saxgourmet" line that is supposed to usher in centuries of world peace. I went online to WWBW.com, and there is no mention of the Goodson saxes there, so I doubt if they are actually available.

And, the cover of the catalog also mentioned the new LA Sax offerings, but misspelled Voldemort's name as "Goodsen."

[Mike_K]

The Spring/Summer WWBW catalog came yesterday, and they have the lower-priced line of Goodson LA Sax models in the back, on the "What's New" page. However, no sign of the "Saxgourmet" line that is supposed to usher in centuries of world peace. I went online to WWBW.com, and there is no mention of the Goodson saxes there, so I doubt if they are actually available.

And, the cover of the catalog also mentioned the new LA Sax offerings, but misspelled Voldemort's name as "Goodsen."

So the Steve "Goodsen" line in the latest WWBW catalog is not the new line that will replace the big four? (They spell it "Goodsen" in the write-up, too)

[Grumps]

Be careful... it might be another company trying to capitalize on his good name.
You know, like Selmar...

[JMac]

Just received my copy yesterday. Uh... Florentine gold? Is that like Yanagisawa's 'Pink Gold'. I also imagine the mis-spelling is either a) eating at Mr. Goodson, or b) done with the purpose that he is no longer associated with the horn. I doubt that b is true as he recently posted in a yahoo group beginning with the sentence 'speaking on behalf of LA Sax...'

I'm gonna have to start another spread for everyone to speculate on the whole Guardala re-emergence thing.....

Grumps - do you want to go trolling for us over at alt.music.saxophones :idea1: ?

And we all know that Selmars are not as high in quality as the Selmans!

[Grumps]

Trolling, moi?
Sir, you cut me to the quick.
He is best ignored there, and in my opinion, only worthy of a response when he attempts to mislead the newsgroup.

Besides, if you want to know how he feels about the typo, just ask sinjarah...

[Stacey]

Uh... Florentine gold?

That just means the saxophone is served with spinach.

[gary]

That just means the saxophone is served with spinach.
:sign5:

EXCELLENT Stacey. Excellent!

[rabbit]

If I offend everyone here will you give me a
neat-o spooky, mysterioso nickname like "voldemort"?

[Grumps]

Yeah, that's how he got it... he told an off color joke and offended some folks.

Your training is nearly complete...

[Stacey]

A priest, a rabbi, and a swami go into a bar...

...

"Look - a talking dog!"

...

OK, maybe I'm telling it wrong.

[SuperDave]

<BUMP>

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