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Hulluporo
01-17-2005, 01:33 AM
Caveat to all you CB lovers: This is just MY opinion and experience. Different set-ups could have produced different results....but I'm not knocking the playability of this instrument in my remarks below.

Cannonball Gerald Albright Series Tenor? – it’s a horn. I took a leap of faith and thought I’d try the GAS tenor out. Since tenor isn’t my main axe (Alto is - I play a Ref. 54 and also play a Yanagisawa SC-991 sop), I wanted a tenor again (should’ve never sold my 60’s vintage Mark VI) - something what should have been above an intermediate level horn but didn’t want to spring for the big $$$ for one of the big 4. Well, I ordered one and got it in the blind, but from a reputable dealer with whom I would do business with again. At first glance, the horn “looked” very nice. Stone keys, silver plated body, nickel bow, bell, fancy necks and all. However, I thought the case was a little funky, which gave me my first premonition of what was to come.

It played pretty decently on my old (I mean old) Berg Larsen 110/3 M, which of three mouthpieces, (that and the stock Cannonball 7 facing, and a Brilhart Tonalin 4*) had ended up as the best test set-up. ED Lig. I played the horn for well over an hour or so using a combination of Java's and ZZ's (a random La Voz or two in there, as well). I liked it, but not for what I paid for it.

I'm sorry to say that for the money, it just didn't live up to the expectations I had from all the SOTW posts and advertising I'd seen about the Cannonball pro series saxes. I guess always being primarily a Selmer and recently a Yanagisawa advocate, the lack of a solid feel to the horn was the first impression out of the case. I was keeping objectively in mind that the Selmer and other big 4 horns also cost twice as much.

However, I think even if compared to the Keilwerth EX series Tenor (which is cheaper) “feel”, the Keilwerth makes you feel like you have something solid in your hands, although still not near a pro horn. If I could characterize this horn (the GAS) in one word, I would say it was "thin". The rods and posts seemed almost frail by comparison to other horns I have played and currently own. Did it play OK, yes; I’ll give it that; But........over the long haul, I thought I was looking at a high-maintenance instrument. I will go along with the somewhat consistent theme here on the SOTW site that they are over-priced for what you get.

When working the left hand spatula keys that control the bell keys there was a terrible "rattle" when going through the action. Yes, most of you will say that is obviously an adjustment thing. My wife was listening and she said while I was playing it was like while you would be expecting the quiet ride of a high-end Jaguar, you could hear the rods knocking in the engine. Even the Zeiss lenses in my glasses couldn't find out why this was going on, and I’ve been looking at “goings on” in saxes for 45 years. I could hear it while I was playing, too. By this point I was desperately trying to like this horn; especially after all of the mystery and hubbub that went down to get it. The upper stack didn't "feel" quite right, either. That was the decision point.

So, I really felt crappy about having had to tell the retailer that this horn was not going to take the pole position on the center of my SaxRax, and sent it back. I just personally needed a little more than what this horn had to offer.

My solution was to buy a Yanagisawa T991 to ride shotgun with his little brother. An equitable compromise, but still more $$.

gary
01-17-2005, 03:10 PM
That was a thorough report, Jim, thanks. I've got two questions, though.

1.)Are you sure the horn is set up properly and not in need of adjustment? and

2.) Are you sure you are not in need of adjustment?

Sorry, LOL, the parallelism was just too easy. But what I mean is that, you said you're an alto player, and I wonder if you need more time playing tenor to give the horn a fair tryout. There can be issues when switching form alto to tenor in the beginning.

Hulluporo
01-17-2005, 03:43 PM
Gary,

Thanks. I hear you, and couldn't agree more. I believe I mentioned "adjustments"; diffferent set-ups"; et. al. The usual "Ho-Hum" in every discussion. This horn obviously needed some kind of adjustment if it rattled as stated. If it's designed that way, then that's called an inherent defect. Despite this, it played well. Also, I said that alto was my "main" instrument" (not the ONLY one I play), and that I've been playing for 45 years. Maybe you read it a little too fast. I think it's a good horn - a bit over-priced for the quailty and workmanship- and that was about it. I would recommend it to most players who were on a budget.

In short; It came: I played: It went. Just wasn't for me. Your remark #2. wasn't really necessary. I don't think this forum is about "easy" "parallelism" (s) as you so articulately put it.

However, your advice is good advice for a beginner.

Morry
01-17-2005, 05:58 PM
I agree with the overall feel of the Cannonball curved soprano that I played. It played ok, but had a couple of notes with poor intonation, and had a general feel to it that I immediately thought lacked quality.

Randall
01-17-2005, 10:24 PM
My main gigging alto is a 98 Cannonball. When I got it, the table mechanism was a bit sloppy, and thanks to the post, the bell was fairly well flattened. BTW, this horn was an Ebay auctioned item I won from a pawn shop....
I took it to a competent and highly skilled tech and he repadded it, set the bell right (loooks absolutely perfect now) and tightened up the key work slop.
Since then I have gotten my hands on 5 different CBs....2 used 3 new. They all had the table key issue except the BB model tenors...haven't seen the BB alto or soprano yet, but will VERY soon.
My bottom line is, if you get a CB, you need a good tech to set it up. Cannoball has farily poor quality control, evidently.
After that, I think you can be very pleasantly surprised.

As I have often posted before here, my Cball gets played over
A Ref 54, Selmer Millenium, and a straight JK SX90.
The CB gets the nod for its tone....completely unlike anything I have ever played (save the solid silver Yani alto), and I have played a LOT (just like Dave Dolson! :wink: ).
That it is made in Taiwan and cost me $900.00 is of no consequence.

gsaxman100
01-23-2005, 07:39 AM
I bought my Big Bell Global tenor off Ebay for $1200. I sold the Selmer mouthpiece it came with for close to a hundred, so for roughly $1100 net I got a horn that feels solid, plays solid and is clearly worth more than that. I suppose if I paid $2500 for it I'd wonder if I shouldn't have paid a little more and gotten a (maybe) better horn. For the price, I'm thrilled and happy with the feel and the sound. I also know if I want to move up I can easily sell it for at least what I paid, and probably more. It doesn't have Gerald Albright's name on it but neither does my car or my guitar, and they both do fine. For the price I don't think I could do better with any other brand. Oh yeah, and Ebay is cool.

shmuelyosef
02-16-2005, 06:42 AM
I have seen a number of Cannonball's and they all rattled and played sloppy, but were capable of producing a reasonable sound. With a traditional 'once over' regulation, the action can be made quite serviceable, although I found places on all of them (including my personal curved BB soprano) to take a file and make a few adjustments. The factory assembly is unimpressive, but they are basically sound horns. The tenors, however, just play OK, even in the best case...considering that you can still get a Yamaha 82Z for $2500, I would only buy a Cannonball off eBay (they regularly go for $1100-1500, which is not bad, although you can get a decent Selmer SA80 for close to that price off eBay, and you can get a YTS-61 or 62 for less). Cannonballs look cool, so if that is your thing, it's your thing.

Randall
02-16-2005, 07:45 AM
Just recently got my hands on 4 new CB BB horns...a curved soprano, two black nickel altos with silver keys and a matte black/satin silver and gold keyed tenor.

Things have certainly changed for the better...I was honestly surprised by the huge difference that 2 years has made....

All of these horns played like champs straight out of the box....and my fellow band members are absolutely ga-ga over the sound of the tenor.
The alos are winners...every bit as good in sound as my 98....maybe a littel fatter even....

This is the best CB tenor I have played and is the 3rd Big bell I have played. To be honest, it is heads and shoulders above the previous two.

The curved soprano plays flawlessly but I had to do a little adjustment on the neck octave key as it was leaking a little (typical problem on any sax). It is spot on intoantion wise and the upper notes pop out all the way up to high G....something that has NEVER happened for me on soprano.
I just did a concert with it...perfect!

I have poo poo'd the quality control of CB for a while...but after playing these 4 horns, unless I got extremely lucky, it would appear that CB is turning around a bit.

I went to see TOP last night and hung out and jammed at my old R&B club with Tom Politzer and some of the band after the show...he is very much a fan of the Cannonball tenors and says if he didn't have the Yamaha endorsement deal, he would possibly consider a CB endorsement. He really likes these horns too.