Yoda vs. Neo

[Fun Bun]

This would be a fight to see. Neo is good but Yoda has the element of surpise.

[Andrew]

I think Neo would definitely win. I mean, he can control essentially everything and anything. And, I'm sure he can download some lightsaber program that teaches him how to wield it like a champ.

[Biff]

I'm all for yoda! the ever cool grover-sounding green one rules all!

[averageschmoe]

what about shaft? yoda, neo, blade, the pope, gigantor... none of 'em can touch shaft.

[mostly alto guy]

Isn't it odd how Yoda can barely walk, leaning heavily on a staff and shuuffling about barely lifting his feet, yet he can do all those aerials and such with a light sabre in his hand.

Given his performance, if I had a light sabre I could run a 3-minute mile! But why would I want to when I could fly?

[Biff]

You know what? i've changed my mind. i'm all for Trogdor! (check out http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html. you may need to surf around www.homestarrunner.com to understand all of it, but it's great) "Trogdor was a man, he was a... dragon man..."

[SopranoSue]

Yoda. No contest.

[Josh]

I said Yoda too, but I think Trogdor is a close second.

[MonchMan]

Ok maybe I'm out of the loop, Who is Neo

[Josh]

Go rent The Matrix.

[Gandar]

Bah, off course Yoda wins. Stupid Matrix-fanatics, there wouldn't be any contest at all.

AND Star War-movies are way better than Matrix would ever even dream of.

[MonchMan]

Saw Matirx, Did not like it ...

[Pete]

Ah, Gandar, shall we compare The Phantom Menace to the original Matrix movie? As a "supporting character", I don't think Jar-Jar compares favorably to Trinity (or even Dozer, for that matter).

I remember that the Matrix came out about three months before TPM. At the time, I thought, "If The Matrix was that good, TPM will be outstanding!" Then it came out. It was the only Star Wars movie I've ever seen in which I was hoping ALL the characters would be either shot or have their heads chopped off within the first half hour. I was definitely rooting for the Dark Side to prevail.

(TPM reminds me of a quote: "The screenplay went by at a breathtaking pace -- because the writer has no idea of plot or character development.")

At least in The Matrix, the most annoying character, Mouse, meets a fitting end (and about 15 minutes after he was introduced). Jar-Jar became an ambassador and was kept for TWO movies.

Anyhow, was the Matrix as good as A New Hope? No. On par with or slightly better than Empire Strikes Back. A lot better than Revenge of the CGI (err ... Return of the Jedi).

Of course, there's also "Star Wars II -- The Motionless Picture" (err ... Attack of the Clones) and that's a seperate topic.

I think we need to start up that movie review thread again ... :)

[mostly alto guy]

Saxpics, I agree re: TPM--characters are way too "cute," obviously designed for the younger crowd (esp Jar-Jar), like the silly-looking and obviously costumed teddy bear things in "Return." The story line of TPM is weak as well, contrived and silly. Episode II is a bit better, but they'll never top "The Empire Strikes Back." Best of the series by a mile.

I suppose in Episode III we'll see Jar-Jar wielding a light sabre--that would be a hoot!

"Matrix" to me is silly. The premise is fascinating, and the plot holds my interest, but the aerial combat scenes are ridiculous.

[max]

they'll never top "The Empire Strikes Back." Best of the series by a mile. I sure wish Lucas would let someone else direct the last one (like he did with Empire...).

[Pete]

I guess I will start that Movie/TV/Book review thread, if someone doesn't beat me to it!

M.A.G., the aerial combat scenes only work, IMO, if you grasp the fact that neither the Agents or Neo are that confned to physical laws. Yes, that means that you've got some plot holes you could drive a truck through (especially in Matrix II. For example: why does Neo fly around? Why not teleport or something? Why can't you go faster?).

Anyhow, IMO, I find it kinda artistic. It's "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" several years earlier.

max, I think the problem really isn't with the directing, it's the story. I don't know if you've read any of the zillions of Star Wars books, but probably the best series was written by Timothy Zahn, with Michael Stackpole's contributions coming in a close second. Alan Dean Foster's book from a long while ago was stupid and poorly written. The more recent shift to the "New Republic Politics" is annoying: I don't care about your petty struggles, Leia. Where's Darth? He'd kick some serious butt!

("Leia, I'm ashamed to be your father.")

Idea for Lucas: hire a better writer for Part III. I don't mind if you direct, but don't contribute anything to the story, please. Remember: he's gotta fill in, what, 40 years between episode III and IV. He cut out 16 years between I and II!

[Morry]

Neo, match not for Yoda he is.

[max]

I haven't read any of the books, but I do see your point about the story.

I aslo think that the actor's performances are a problem; they're good actors, and you know they can do better. I've read interviews where the actors talk about how Lucas doesn't want them "overemoting" or something - IOW, he wants the terrible, wooden performances (they all but came out and said he won't accept a take if there's any shred of feeling or spark). This is part of why I think a different director might help (and maybe a different director would help bring balance to the CG sequences...). I dunno.

I agree that we need some Vader, though! Hopefully, the next one will be more interesting by default, right? I mean, he's got to show us how Anakin fully becomes Vader, right? (Any volcano rumors?)

(I know it's as hopeless as expecting T4 to be good simply because... well, I guess I shouldn't spoil anything here!)

[Pete]

I dunno: the actor playing Anakin is a prat, in my opinion, and needs to be slapped -- which is also what I feel about Harry Potter in the new book.

I can understand "wooden", but not annoying. Big difference.

Anyhow, I didn't know that Lucas was essentially telling the actors not to act. ANH had some good acting and some great overacting. Harrison Ford was a bit over-the-top and I liked it. I thought Peter Cushing was excellently cast and delightfully evil.

We could get really in depth on how bad Episode II was: for example, Anakin slaughters a couple dozen Sand People. Padme naturally then decides to marry the guy. I'd think that'd be a red flag, but nooooo.

Anyone for "Star Wars, Episode III: Star Wars Meets the Terminator"? (I'd even settle for "Anakin Meets Blade").

Story idea: Anakin hooks up with Boba Fett.

Anyhow, I think this is still gonna be a five-hour long movie. There's way more than enough info at www.theforce.net. Some of THOSE folks are way over-the-top.

[max]

Ugh - yeah, I wasn't thinking of him... but lots of the other folks milling about in those movies are capable of better work.

Anakin slaughters a couple dozen Sand People. Padme naturally then decides to marry the guy. I'd think that'd be a red flag, but nooooo. LOL!!!

[Gandar]

I ment "old" SW-films; The New Hope, Imperium Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, personally I dont like the "new" SW-movies at all. And Jar-jar is definitely one of the most irritating movie characters known.

[Stacey]

Now, if I'm thinking correctly (and I may not be), if Neo and Yoda were to meet, the only way that would be possible would be if Yoda were alive today. Right?

Star Wars: A Long Time Ago...
Matrix: Yet to come... or already here.

Perhaps Yoda still lives, waiting "somewhere out there" for Neo to come along.

Or perhaps we are in The Matrix now, or it is a part of the forgotten past, and Yoda and Neo have already met.

I guess it's tough to really argue anything, when you don't know whether or not to trust your reality... :?:

[markieg]

Biff, I believe Trogdor drank too much soy sauce and flew to the moon with Strong Bad and The Cheat. It's not on the site, but I haven't seen him yet. The Cheat definitely has an advantage since he's so loveable and they would all be afraid to hurt the little guy.

[electricninja]

The deal with Yoda seems to be that using the Force takes a LOT of his will and energy; just look at how his face showed struggle when he opposed all the falling obstacles and corny dialogue that Count Dooku sent his way.

The flipside: if he could use the Force to do a saber fight like THAT, then why couldn't he just heal Anakin's arm? Or did he just choose not to for humility's sake?

[averageschmoe]

you're all missing the point, shaft is the greatest super-hero ever devised by man and could could beat the living hell out of anything he came across while making his move on the hot chick in the background. neither yoda or neo are equiped to deal with such a bad mother.

[Jazzophone]

LOL! but you forget Neo and Trinity. Not only does Neo beat the crap out of all the 'baddies,' but he has the girl, who ALSO beats the crap out of everybody. So, I'd say that's not a bad deal. :shock:

[averageschmoe]

perhaps i should've been clearer. hot chicks in the background. plural. seriously now, would yoda or neo have a hot tub scene? "i'm just talkin' bout shaft."[/b]

[electricninja]

Neo did his dirty deed for all to see. In a cave, with all the animal heat you could imagine.

Baby, that's what I like. Yoda's probably like, I grew tired of that 239829084 years ago.

[bronzZoot]

Any person or thing that can fight like that, but still needs a cain to walk scares the living crap out of me! Yoda's fight scene in Episode 2 rocked!!! :D

[bariman]

Whoa, old thread alert! Yeah, Yoda would kick neo's butt. If they were to meet in the real world, Yoda, no contest. In the Matrix, Neo, no contest, simply b/c he can manipulate his surroundings almost indefinetly. Actually, they are both pretty similar powers wise, with both having (kinda) total control over their enviroment. It would be interesting.

Bariman

[Brendan Muse]

Neo is a block of wood. He actually beat Treebeard for best piece of wood a movie in 2003 on another forum I'm on. :D

Yoda, on the other hand, tears the landscape apart and hurls it at people with the power of his mind. And he's green.

A winner is Yoda.

[Kareeser]

Yeah, Yoda would kick neo's butt. If they were to meet in the real world, Yoda, no contest.

...

Bariman

Real world? :P Since when is the "Galaxy far far away" real? :lol:

[JfW]

trying to normalize the logic of the respective universes:

Neo is basically a Demigod. His power in his universe [the matrix] is significantly greater than Yoda's power in his universe (excluding the "If you strike me down...I will become more powerfull than you can ever imagine". We don't know what happens at that point).

Blade would quite quickly be smushed by either. Buffy could take Blade!

[Vortex]

In comes Yoda to hurl an X-Wing at Neo.

"Dodge that, you will not!"

[Vortex]

Besides that Yoda could easily whip all Neo's guns out of his trenchcoat and then he's screwed cuz Yoda still has a lightsaber.

[bariman]

When I say "real world", I mean the true existence of each, the reality that is not artifical for each, not comparing to our own existance. I still stand behind master yoda.

Bariman

[Krieg]

Yoda, hands down, as Bariman suggested. Neo only has power in one world: the Matrix. But Yoda would logically have his powers in both worlds. While Neo could manipulate almost everything in the Matrix, Yoda could still steal all of his weapons with the Force. And in their relative "real worlds", Neo would not stand a chance.

[Rex]

Y*O*D*A absolutely.

The Matrix is not real; the Force is real and permeates everything, everywhere, and Yoda is (was) one of its greatest masters... 8-)

[fballatore]

Are you guys telling me that you have nothing more to practice, and that you have time to debate stuff like this?!? :twisted:

[Krieg]

No. I have plenty to practice, but I was improvising and got pissed off because I wasn't playing anything good. So I stopped because I wasn't doing any good to myself. So now I'm debating.

[Rex]

I suppose a BYSTANDER has more important things to do...? :roll: It's all in good fun. Besides, I am channelling Master Yoda when I play, becoming one with the Force.

[bariman]

Master Yoda was a bass saxophonist I believe. How'd you think he got so good at levitating? That little dude rocked, too. Nocked the socks off of his best student. Hmm, what was that guy's name? Rulina? Reclini? Rollini?

Bariman

[MusicMedic]

Yoda is a master but all things considered Neo definitely has it. Of course, we have to assume they are fighting in the Matrix...

[Saxland]

In a recent lecure tour with intergalatic past foes and living heros, Yoda say

There is no try.

Do or do not.

But No try.


Can apply that to music........to life.........

May the Force be with you.......... :p