Clarinet Forum?

[wompipistrello]

I was wondering if there is a forum similar to this that is devoted to clarinets. I have a couple of questions about some makes and wanted to see what was known. If anyone knows of any forums or if anyone is willing to help me out anyway, let me know.

-joe

ps. I apologize if this gets posted more than once, I got an error message that said it was not completed.

[Nefertiti]

http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/list.html?f=1

[HC]

There are numerous people here that play clarinet in addition to saxophone. I think it would be easier to either make a subforum in "doubling" or add it to one of the main forums.

I would like some more resources dedicated to clarinet and hope that it will encourage more clarinetists to come. I understand that there is a clarinet forum at www.woodwind.org but would like to see that done here also. The way the forum is setted up, though full of knowledge, makes it unappealing to go to. Also there seems to be a lot more people involved in this forum than on the Clarinet BBoad.

[Bnatural]

I like the idea of a subforum (kind of like how selmer is a subforum in sax manufacturers, right??)

I know that alot of the people that play clarinet post on both boards so would there visit another clarinet forum that often?

I guess I agree with you, I'm just kind of arguing with myself.

Can I ask if you have had a hard time keeping track in the threads in the doubling area?

One concern of mine is that if we make a flute, clarinet, and other subforums would the people that double on alot of horns visit each one, or would we just have a few people in each area.

[Pete]

Hmmm. Let's change it around a bit ...

I agree that the Doubling area SHOULD be broken up into subfora and I'll effort that relatively soon. However, Harri has mentioned before that this is SAX-on-the-Web, not CLARINET-on-the-Web, and doesn't want to create a "full featured" Forum for the clarinet with dozens and dozens of seperate areas.

Of course, it wouldn't be a BAD thing if there was a COTW Forum. Hmmm. I played clarinet before I played sax and I really, really enjoyed playing bass and contrabass clarinet. Adolphe Sax did do a lot of experimentation on bass clarinet design ...

"Come over to the Dark Side, saxpics. It is your destiny! I am your father!"
"Noooo!"

I always thought there were some better clarinet fora out there and I'm sure the one at Sneezy.org used to be a whole lot less cheezy than it is now.

Being that I will break up the Doubling area into subfora, would there still be interest in creating a COTW and would anyone volunteer to moderate said Forum and/or contribute, like, loads of cash (well, about $25 a month for 12 months, i.e. $300) to support a dedicated clarinet Forum?

-> Yes, if you have clarinet-playing only friends, please invite them to come over, register and vote on this poll <-

(... and I hope you don't mind me minorly topic-shifting this poll :))

[paulwl]

I am opposed to a clarinet forum for the simple reason that it will attract the kind of combative hard@ss personalities found on other clarinet and/or classical music boards.

(Present company excepted, of course! :) )

[Pete]

Everyone. All together, now:

WE LOVE YOU, TOO, PAUL!

:D

[Hurling Frootmig]

I see no real need to us to do much more than have areas in the doubling section. We are SAX on the web and sneezy still does a pretty decent job with clarinet folks (although I agree with Paul that you had better be thick skinned to post there).

[Vortex]

Yeah, these days you either have to have some serious balls or none at all to post on sneezy. Probably has something to do with their crappy forum setup too.

(see? we DO love this new forum!)

[Pete]

Built a new Doubling section:

* Brasswinds
* Clarinet
* Double-Reeds
* Flute and Piccolo
* Miscellaneous Instruments

I think I'll create an area someplace that's for people that play more than one kind of sax -- as playing alto and tenor, for instance, isn't douibling.

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The more I think about it, the more I'd like for us to have a "sister" clarinet Forum. Maybe we can "moderate" the posters a bit -- and I'll also note that I've encountered some sax snobs in the past, posting on this Forum.

[Vortex]

Built a new Doubling section:

* Brasswinds
* Clarinet
* Double-Reeds
* Flute and Piccolo
* Miscellaneous Instruments

I propose that, in counterstrike to www.sneezy.org, we rename the clarinet section "coughy.org". Access from midnight till however long it's keeping you up... :coffee:

[Harri Rautiainen]

Built a new Doubling section:

* Brasswinds
* Clarinet
* Double-Reeds
* Flute and Piccolo
* Miscellaneous Instruments

I think I'll create an area someplace that's for people that play more than one kind of sax -- as playing alto and tenor, for instance, isn't douibling.
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The more I think about it, the more I'd like for us to have a "sister" clarinet Forum. Maybe we can "moderate" the posters a bit -- and I'll also note that I've encountered some sax snobs in the past, posting on this Forum.Pete,
thanks for categorising the Doubling section. Although I play some clarinet on the side I did not realize the amount of postings we had there.

"Learning, Playing, Performance, Teaching Discussion" has really too many sub-fora. Should we elevate Doubling one notch and make it a forum of its own? Then the Clarinet sub-forum would be visible on the first page. I guess that would be enough to respond to the original request?

[Harri Rautiainen]

.......
Also there seems to be a lot more people involved in this forum than on the Clarinet BBoad.HC,
there are currently more people involved on the SOTW forum than on any other music instrument forum on earth.
Thanks for your post,

[saxyclarinet]

Indeed, SOTW is the largest forum I visit, and for a while, the 1600-member board I've been at for 3 years was the largest. Then I came here.

As far as the Clarinet BBoard goes, yes, they can run towards the harsh side, but that's how they do business, and I don't see much wrong with it. I am effectively ignored when I post there, though, so perhaps all of my posts are a figment of my imagination. :lol:

[Pete]

"Learning, Playing, Performance, Teaching Discussion" has really too many sub-fora. Should we elevate Doubling one notch and make it a forum of its own? Then the Clarinet sub-forum would be visible on the first page.

I have done thy bidding, my master.

BTB, I included a "forum" (small "f") for "Other Saxes!" This IS a forum, in a way: it's actually a hyperlink to the forum called "Multi Sax!"

Yes, I can have dozens of hyperlinks in categories/fora or subcategories/subfora. I just can't have hyperlink -> subhyperlink. That'd just be freaky. :cyclopsa:

[Kareeser]

saxpics, good work making the doubling sub-forum a whole category! :)

Now I can check brasswinds at a glance, :D

[HC]

Good work, Saxpics. It was pretty much what I was looking for. I knew I was asking a little too much for COTW. :roll:

[Pete]

I still think COTW is a good idea. I just need sponsors. It wouldn't even be that hard to create.

[kcp]

Sorry, completely out of context... I keep reading "COW On The Web" for some reason :toothy9:

AhMmmOOoooo!!!

[paulwl]

Yeah, these days you either have to have some serious balls or none at all to post on sneezy.
And don't try taking the regulars on either. The newbie has to know its place. It has 3 choices:
1. suck it up and (eventually) learn to dish it out,
2. turn the other cheek and get ignored (as Amanda seems to be doing),
3. answer back in kind and make enemies.

There must be some strong Kool-Aid being served when clarinetists gather; they really do think they're just telling it like it is over there.

If COTW does become reality, I would recommend it include a "BBQ Pit" area, reserved exclusively for those times when one must express oneself in the strongest possible terms.

[Pete]

Posts and topics from Cow-on-the-Web:

"Note that the Holstein has a distinctly different tone from your standard Milch cow. "

"You shouldn't just use HAY, use quadro-triticale!"

"... and what brand is on your cow? If it's not an 'S' the cow's probably an older model and really isn't suitable for some state fairs, unless there's also a five-digit serial number on the ear."

"Spots: good or bad for milk production."

I'm here all week, folks. Remember to tip your waitresses on the way out! :D

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I think one of the things that can develop on an unmoderated Forum is that clique-ishness. We've taken some strides here at the SOTW Forum to have our Mods and Admins at least try to touch most of the topic areas a couple times a day.

Now, I've mentioned before that I'm a clarinet player that made a journey to the sax side. There's a lot that "standard" clarinet players can learn from sax players: how you can warm your tone by using vibrato, how to improve your embochure, how to play jazz, etc. However, there's a bunch that sax players can learn from clarinetists: hand position, how to play classical, how to extend your range, etc.

-> Not that I'm posting that so we can debate clarinet here, I'm just giving some examples <-

Anyhow, if some of us multi-instrumentalists were moderating at a clarinet-only place, I think that you'd see some of our personality being reflected in the posts.

[paulwl]

I think one of the things that can develop on an unmoderated Forum is that clique-ishness. We've taken some strides here at the SOTW Forum to have our Mods and Admins at least try to touch most of the topic areas a couple times a day.
Make no mistake, the C BB moderators get around too. But they (and a few of their buds, I feel) are actually setting the tone for the cliquishness and/or the hard@ss attitude. It's one of the few boards I've ever visited where the mods are actually among the more confrontational posters.

It's accepted in part because everybody knows it's a rough business, where the odds are against you, and in part because they don't always read ppl the riot act, and when they do, they make sure to couch their utterances in the form of advice.

[Vortex]

Let's just hope we never see a Violin On The Web... I don't even need to go into the details of what that would bring (BBQ Pit being fueled further with acetone)

[Carl H.]

What is that supposed to mean?
As a working professional violinist I find that a bit over the top.
:!:

[Pete]

He's merely saying that there's too much sax and violins on the web.

-> Again, folks, I'm here all week!

[JMac]

fbblol!!

Full-Blown-Belly-Laugh-Out Loud :sign5:

Thanks -I needed that, Pete!

[Vortex]

Wow, a string player here? I figured it was pretty safe venturing into that territory, but now I suppose even a bagpipe joke would cause some squawking (pun intended).

[Carl H.]

It used to be a common double, but most of the books have been rewritten for some unknown reason :?:
:roll:

[jazzbluescat]

He's merely saying that there's too much sax and violins on the web.

-> Again, folks, I'm here all week!


We need a trap door and/or hook feature.
:roll:

[Pete]

Awww. Just because you can't use the "ignore" feature on Admins or Mods :).

[Fred]

I am about to venture into that vast and dangerous world of generalities, realizing that as I do some individuals won't fit the mold. Here goes:

I think one of the fundamental differences between SOTW and ww.org is the playing interests of most of the posters. ww.org seems to be a much more serious forum. The mods there try to keep what is said clearly defined with regard to fact, opinion, preferences, etc. I don't have any problem there because I am generally careful about what I say. I spent many years testifying in court, where an unsupported statement can lead to your crucifixion on the witness stand. So I'm a careful guy.

Most of the players at ww.org are classically trained, as there is little option for most clarinet players as they go through school. The pinnacle of that world is a major orchestra job. This is serious business. Some of the posters there are adept at non-classical playing also, but I think that serious frame of reference still remains dominant.

And the SOTW posters . . . well, uh, they don't come across as quite so serious. duh

Orchestra job? What orchestra job?

Now just because a person doesn't act serious doesn't mean they don't take their music seriously. Do you remember that great scene in "The Benny Goodman Story" when Benny performs the Mozart Concerto at some rich folks house? How the great jazz musicians and the great classical musicians just didn't mix well? Maybe the two boards are kind of like that. I remember seeing Louis Armstrong on television when I was in junior high. I told my dad that Louis didn't play correctly because he puffed out his cheeks and trumpet players weren't supposed to do that. My dad smiled and said that when you play like Louis Armstrong, you can puff out your cheeks if you want to. I don't think ww.org (for the most part) puffs out its cheeks.

And with this SOTW bunch, cheeks are automatically a dangerous topic to bring up.
No . . . I don't wanna see . . . !!!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Pete]

Naw. I'm not gonna go there. TOO easy.

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I'm classically trained. Not only as a clarinetist, but also on sax -- heck, the solos I played for college and All State band were Bach cello suites -- and the guy that "judged" me for All State was the bari player from the Amherst Sax Quartet. I'm also a former English major and I took about 5 years of Latin, in both high school and college. However, this last fact might make people consider me less "classically trained" and more "masochistic" :).

Anyway, back to the topic, IMHO, it's a bit of a lot of things. SOTW's changed a lot over the years. On this new Forum format, started two years ago, the SOTW "managment" (well, Harri and I), breathed a little sigh of relief: we no longer had 24/7 spambot and jKIE attacks, we were able to seriously ban the folks that were causing problems at eesites and we were able to do our own backups. This really allowed us to lighten up a bit.

Yes, we've had a few serious issues on this Forum and we've got a few folks who are, shall we say, very persistent in trying to spam us, but we've been looking into ways of stopping that, too.

Finally, considering I'm part of "SOTW Management" and something of each "managment member's" personality is somewhat reflected in the tenor of this Forum. Remember: I'm completely insane, but thankfully (for you), it's one of the happier kinds. Whooo! :yikes!:

Anyhow, I went to sneezy.org and fooled around there a bit. There are a few SOTW members there (hi, Gordon!) and there are some regulars that are highly amusing. The layout is absolutely horrible and user hostile. In my experience, a lot of folks that use "user hostile" interfaces can be a little hostile toward newbies that aren't as savvy.

There are a lot of clarinet related questions that newbies do ask, tho. What's a good clarinet for a beginner? Why is wood considered better? Why is the $199 clarinet at half.com considered junk and the $1999 clarinet at www.selmer.com considered a pro horn? They look the same!

I just think that if we gave clarinet the same treatment as we do sax, we could do a better job of it than sneezy. If we put our minds to it. Hey! We've got a lot of clarinetists here!

[saxyclarinet]

I find it hard to keep track of what goes on at the Clarinet BB because it's not organized at all. They really could do more with it, even considering that software they use, but...and forget searching for anything, jeez, it's hard to wade through the results! I put a bunch of helpful search plugins into my browser and I still have a hard time figuring out where to find what I'm looking for when I search that forum.

Maybe I'm just spoiled 'cause all the other boards I go to are on phpBB or UBB.

I for one am one of the many clarinetists at this board; I can't be the only one who doubles sax from clarinet (I'm hiding from the rotten tomatos that will be thrown at me :lol:), either. :) I find that I get more good info at CBB, but if SOTW expanded towards the clarinet, well, it'd be a close race. ;)

[Harri Rautiainen]

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I just think that if we gave clarinet the same treatment as we do sax, we could do a better job of it than sneezy. If we put our minds to it. Hey! We've got a lot of clarinetists here!I just had my clarinet overhauled, so I am game. :)
The clarinet maybe deserves a separate treatment under the SOTW umbrella. The challenge I have thrown at saxpics in the SOTW management team is, that there whould be only single registration required, i.e. all SOTW registered members are automatically members also in COTW and vice versa.
We'll see what the guru will come up with... :wink:

[HC]

Harri, so a "COTW" is a possibility instead of a big, fat
NO?

[Harri Rautiainen]

Harri, so a "COTW" is a possibility instead of a big, fat NO?Yes,
it is a possibility, but not the highest priority item at the moment.