Sax on the Web - Forum Archive / SML (Strasser-Marigaux) / Lemaire?

User ID: 1781064
Jan 20th 11:44 PM
Howdy, folks. Sorry about the duplicate post on the other thread. Doing too many things at once and I got distracted. Doing too many things at ... :)

I have yet to find out any more info on the King Lemaire horns. I have already noted that they look awfully similar to the King 613 -- which is a student horn. Here's what we do know:

- The eBay item that Becky mentions on the SML Market Place thread is for a King Lemaire, not a King Marigaux (a much better pro horn imported from SML by King).
- The King Lemaire in question has "Made in Czechoslovakia" stamped on the body.
- According to Fred Cicetti, all the folks he's ever talked to have said that the Lemaire is a rather poor quality student horn.

Now, here's some CONJECTURE:
- The only folks I know of in Czech. that made saxes are Amati and V. Kolherta Synove Kraslice (Kolhert) -- the former produce student horns and the latter produced student thru pro horns (and, according to World Wide Sax, J. Kielworth might have worked for).
- It's possible that King licensed the Lemaire name from SML and then imported horns from Kohlert or Amati to Ohio (where King was based)and then sold them in the student market. The Kohlert Regent horns look kinda similar. This process happend most notably with Selmer (USA): for a brief time Selmer imported horns from Kielworth and stamped the Bundy name on 'em. In that example tho, the horns were MUCH higher quality ...

I'm looking for more info. If any of y'all have anything else, let's post!


The Vintage Saxophone Gallery

User ID: 0750024
Jan 21st 7:37 PM
Saxpics: Thanks for the info,and sorry about the mistaken ID on ebay.Your website is great, and I go there often.
Harri R.
User ID: 2170744
May 2nd 6:46 AM
Another incident in origins of King Lemaire:

King Lemaire alto sax saxophone near new
Item #319835252 aon eBay

The seller says:
"This is an accurate estimate, since this is a Czechoslovakian made instrument, imported by SML for King in the 1980's, I think."

Also he/she pegs the horn: "This King alto sax is ideal for someone who is entering band or orchestra, and wishes to own a quality instrument for a price half or less that of a comparable new horn."
Al Billings
User ID: 7963633
May 14th 12:21 PM
It seems as though a lot of us haven't had the oportunity to play a King Lemaire sax. Recently, I bought a King Lemaire tenor--lacquer body with nickel keys. I had it run through the shop to replace a few pads, corks, neck cork etc., and to have the bell-edge smoothed. The lacquer is nicely darkened. This Czech-made horn was almost certainly made by Amati--the key guards etc. look the same. I would guess this horn was made in the 70's. How does it play? Great! Nice, well-made and easy-playing key work, Conn-like. No awkward palm keys, and good intonation. Sound? Robust and lush. Is this a killer pro horn? No! I play Couesnon, both alto and tenor, and they are higher-quality, more powerful horns. The King Lemaire is, however, a highly respectable tenor sax, suitable for student, step-up or back-up axe. It reminds me of the earlier Conn 16 M. It sounds,plays and looks better to me than the old King Cleveland 613, and I would choose it over Yamaha student and step-up horns. I occasionaly buy and re-sell a horn to cover my sax habit, and I won't be at all ashamed to offer this nice instrument for sale.