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Cashsax
User ID: 9014973 Jul 29th 10:30 AM
I'm looking at my 156xx silverplate VI Tenor, the silver neck inside is a very dark grayish color and the cork-end pipe edge looks to be a consistent silverish metal clear through, with no brass color showing inside either.There is a tiny faint hint of brass on the tenon on the leading edge, but nowhere else.The neck is original and not numbered.I always presumed if it was a Sterling neck it would be stamped so.Btw,my neck always gets rinsed, swabbed and dried so it's perfectly clean.

MBushaw
User ID: 0157524 Jul 29th 2:13 PM
Sterling necks generally use a bare brass tenon. Plated necks also use a brass tenon, but the plating covers the brass, until it wears and you see some brass showing thru. Some plating will adhear to the inside of the neck, giving the greyish color you see (darkening as it tarnishes).

Cashsax
User ID: 9014973 Jul 29th 5:32 PM
Thanks 'Shaw, shucks..I thought it had to probably be plated..a trial Masterpiece neck may be in store for this horn.. Btw,my bare brass neck on my Cball tenor is much brighter than the silver plated one that also comes with the horn..??

Lenny
User ID: 0561484 Jul 29th 5:42 PM
Cash, Let me know if you manage to score a trial masterpiece neck.

<nsll@pacbell.net>

Cashsax
User ID: 9014973 Jul 29th 6:00 PM
Hey Lenny,I'm not holdin' my breath, I keep thinkin maybe I'll run across one here in the SF Bay Area. Far as I know they have to be fitted to the horn and then there is a such a sound difference in each of the different necks that a real comparison could be tough.I've thought of sending my VI Tenor to Steve G. and let him pick the best sounding alt neck and fit it while he has the horn for deep freeze and overhaul..

Lenny
User ID: 0561484 Jul 29th 6:21 PM
I got to try one with "License to Blow" (his SOTW moniker) about a month ago along with a silver gloger and all of his necks. He managed to get one from someone other than Steve G. just to try. Of course it wasn't fitted precisely to the horns and I don't know if Steve's are different necks or if his set up makes a big difference. This one just came off a silver Unison horn.
Actually it didn't knock either of us out.
Good highs but a weaker bottom. We liked the Gloger better as well as my Ponzol. Way ahead though was a very good old brass Mark VI neck that LTB had managed to find in Japan years ago.
I'm still trying to find some B&S necks to try - they make a solid silver.

Ron
User ID: 9467593 Jul 29th 6:51 PM
There is a website for Unison, which distributes Masterpiece necks. They list a slew of dealers who sell them, including several in the San Francisco East Bay area. It's hard to imagine some of these retailers providing custom neck services. They may simply record the horn model and neck tenon dimensions, and send them to Unison with an order. I'm sure the local emporiums don't carry a stock of silver necks for us to try out on Saturday mornings.

Lenny
User ID: 0561484 Jul 29th 10:05 PM
I suspect your right about ordering necks alone. The Magic Flute is listed as a dealer but I've never asked them about just getting necks to try.

Cashsax
User ID: 9014973 Jul 30th 3:59 PM
I gonna call around a little and see what they say...

Bootman
User ID: 1676554 Jul 30th 4:14 PM
Cash, you have a real sax now, a Conn, no need to muck around with that French thing any more. :)

Cashsax
User ID: 9014973 Jul 30th 4:29 PM
Bootman as a fellow GAS sufferer you know it's just a matter of time before the french thing gets another turn at stardom..arf arf

Bootman
User ID: 1676554 Jul 31st 12:42 AM
Cash,
I hear you. I have been fighting an urge to test drive a whole bunch of SBA's.

Cashsax
User ID: 9014973 Jul 31st 10:38 AM
Bootman I'm afraid to tell you what's gonna happen when you find the right one..

King Bee
User ID: 9467593 Jul 31st 2:57 PM
Yeah, my Selmers keep rising from their coffins whenever I get a new mouthpiece to try out.

Bootman
User ID: 1676554 Jul 31st 4:14 PM
Cash,
Hasn't happened yet, I've checked hundreds of mk vi tenors. No dice. Only played a couple of SBA's. My guess is that it wont be loud enough.

Cashsax
User ID: 9014973 Jul 31st 8:20 PM
Boot try a Bare Cball tenor with a DG on it.. then you won't feel so bad when yer SBA isn't QUITE as loud.A good one (SBA) should fit in your stable very well..my VI sure ain't the loudest, my Chu is a bit bigger, and the 'ball is over the top volume-wise..But that Selmer sound and feel is all it's own. I had to restrain myself from a 3 grand TH&C on ebay, so a snob I ain't..As I've said many times I want one of each.

Bootman
User ID: 1676554 Aug 1st 12:03 AM
I am planning on doing so, still recovering from the Bass sax and Bari sax repairs.

Cashsax User ID: 9014973	Jul 29th 10:30 AM I'm looking at my 156xx silverplate VI Tenor, the silver neck inside is a very dark grayish color and the cork-end pipe edge looks to be a consistent silverish metal clear through, with no brass color showing inside either.There is a tiny faint hint of brass on the tenon on the leading edge, but nowhere else.The neck is original and not numbered.I always presumed if it was a Sterling neck it would be stamped so.Btw,my neck always gets rinsed, swabbed and dried so it's perfectly clean.
MBushaw User ID: 0157524	Jul 29th 2:13 PM Sterling necks generally use a bare brass tenon. Plated necks also use a brass tenon, but the plating covers the brass, until it wears and you see some brass showing thru. Some plating will adhear to the inside of the neck, giving the greyish color you see (darkening as it tarnishes).
Cashsax User ID: 9014973	Jul 29th 5:32 PM Thanks 'Shaw, shucks..I thought it had to probably be plated..a trial Masterpiece neck may be in store for this horn.. Btw,my bare brass neck on my Cball tenor is much brighter than the silver plated one that also comes with the horn..??
Lenny User ID: 0561484	Jul 29th 5:42 PM Cash, Let me know if you manage to score a trial masterpiece neck. <nsll@pacbell.net>
Cashsax User ID: 9014973	Jul 29th 6:00 PM Hey Lenny,I'm not holdin' my breath, I keep thinkin maybe I'll run across one here in the SF Bay Area. Far as I know they have to be fitted to the horn and then there is a such a sound difference in each of the different necks that a real comparison could be tough.I've thought of sending my VI Tenor to Steve G. and let him pick the best sounding alt neck and fit it while he has the horn for deep freeze and overhaul..
Lenny User ID: 0561484	Jul 29th 6:21 PM I got to try one with "License to Blow" (his SOTW moniker) about a month ago along with a silver gloger and all of his necks. He managed to get one from someone other than Steve G. just to try. Of course it wasn't fitted precisely to the horns and I don't know if Steve's are different necks or if his set up makes a big difference. This one just came off a silver Unison horn. Actually it didn't knock either of us out. Good highs but a weaker bottom. We liked the Gloger better as well as my Ponzol. Way ahead though was a very good old brass Mark VI neck that LTB had managed to find in Japan years ago. I'm still trying to find some B&S necks to try - they make a solid silver.
Ron User ID: 9467593	Jul 29th 6:51 PM There is a website for Unison, which distributes Masterpiece necks. They list a slew of dealers who sell them, including several in the San Francisco East Bay area. It's hard to imagine some of these retailers providing custom neck services. They may simply record the horn model and neck tenon dimensions, and send them to Unison with an order. I'm sure the local emporiums don't carry a stock of silver necks for us to try out on Saturday mornings.
Lenny User ID: 0561484	Jul 29th 10:05 PM I suspect your right about ordering necks alone. The Magic Flute is listed as a dealer but I've never asked them about just getting necks to try.
Cashsax User ID: 9014973	Jul 30th 3:59 PM I gonna call around a little and see what they say...
Bootman User ID: 1676554	Jul 30th 4:14 PM Cash, you have a real sax now, a Conn, no need to muck around with that French thing any more. :)
Cashsax User ID: 9014973	Jul 30th 4:29 PM Bootman as a fellow GAS sufferer you know it's just a matter of time before the french thing gets another turn at stardom..arf arf
Bootman User ID: 1676554	Jul 31st 12:42 AM Cash, I hear you. I have been fighting an urge to test drive a whole bunch of SBA's.
Cashsax User ID: 9014973	Jul 31st 10:38 AM Bootman I'm afraid to tell you what's gonna happen when you find the right one..
King Bee User ID: 9467593	Jul 31st 2:57 PM Yeah, my Selmers keep rising from their coffins whenever I get a new mouthpiece to try out.
Bootman User ID: 1676554	Jul 31st 4:14 PM Cash, Hasn't happened yet, I've checked hundreds of mk vi tenors. No dice. Only played a couple of SBA's. My guess is that it wont be loud enough.
Cashsax User ID: 9014973	Jul 31st 8:20 PM Boot try a Bare Cball tenor with a DG on it.. then you won't feel so bad when yer SBA isn't QUITE as loud.A good one (SBA) should fit in your stable very well..my VI sure ain't the loudest, my Chu is a bit bigger, and the 'ball is over the top volume-wise..But that Selmer sound and feel is all it's own. I had to restrain myself from a 3 grand TH&C on ebay, so a snob I ain't..As I've said many times I want one of each.
Bootman User ID: 1676554	Aug 1st 12:03 AM I am planning on doing so, still recovering from the Bass sax and Bari sax repairs.