Keilwerth Saxophones / Roxy?

docsado
User ID: 0728844
Aug 27th 7:03 PM
I just bought an old beater tenor off eBay--has the name "ROXY" on the bell. I noticed from photos on the saxpics site that it seems identical to a Keilwerth-made "VOSS" tenor in every other respect (right down to the engraving). Must've been a student-model horn, but it's fairly heavy and has rolled toneholes. Needs a complete overhaul, but I wonder what it compares with in the JK line, if anything.
wally
User ID: 9147853
Aug 29th 8:29 PM
No one have any information on this stencil?

Oh well ...
greenhorn
User ID: 2184934
Aug 31st 4:19 AM
I think I saw that Roxy tenor on ebay. Looked quite interesting.

Some information from the boosey & hawkes site

http://www.boosey.com/cgi-bin/sqlforum.exe?name=doContent&Forum=Julius+Keilwerth+Saxophones&Thema=Did+Keilwerth+made+ROXY+sax+?&rsnb=24&rsnbtotal=47

Seems like the other german factory was purchased by keilwerth, but I'm not sure whether it still produced the ROXY tenors or whether docsado's tenor is made by keilwerth.
docsado
User ID: 9147853
Aug 31st 3:00 PM
Thanks for the info. Never heard of Dörfler & Jörka, but the horn I purchased (also an 8xxx SN; maybe the guy posing the question saw the same horn?) seems identical to the Keilwerth/Voss tenor on saxpic's site, down to the art-deco on the bell. Maybe I should be asking, who made Voss? Can't wait to get this one set up.
Randall
User ID: 0178794
Sep 1st 1:53 AM
There is also a Taiwanese Selmer clone called Roxy that I have seen in Japan. Pretty good horn too, suprisingly.
greenhorn
User ID: 2184934
Sep 2nd 1:17 AM
Randall, do the Taiwanese Roxys have rolled tone holes too?
greenhorn
User ID: 2184934
Sep 2nd 1:21 AM
docsado, it seems like the voss was made by the same german company as the roxy.

http://www.boosey.com/cgi-bin/sqlforum.exe?name=doContent&Forum=Julius+Keilwerth+Saxophones&Thema=Keilwerth+VOSS+Alto+Sax.&rsnb=35&rsnbtotal=47

BTW, how does the horn sound, feel?
Randall
User ID: 0178794
Sep 2nd 6:50 AM
Green, no they don't.
Bo Meyer
User ID: 0791694
Sep 2nd 10:23 AM
Docsado, I have a similar horn, my number is 816x, they could be brothers, can you reveal some more of your number ?.

Or mail it to me bomeyer@adslhome.dk

It is very Keilwerth like in construction, and is a heavily build horn, I find it more tricky to set up, than when repairing old Conn´s, Bueschers etc.

When set up correctly, Roxy plays like a dream, very much like Kohlerts.....

Regards from Denmark

Bo
wally
User ID: 9147853
Sep 2nd 12:21 PM
Greenhorn, I haven't even tried to get a sound out of it yet -- neck cork was rotted off and literally all the pads have petrified -- it's structurally intact, but who knows what other problems await me ... For some reason the keywork feels "wide," or maybe the bore itself is wider than what I'm used to. The brass on this thing is very very hard, though. Tried pushing out a few dents but found I needed far more pressure to get the job done than usual.

Bo, the SN is 8722. I just tuned up an old Bundy Special alto I got earlier. The Roxy has almost identical keywork. The horn looks identical (except for name on bell) to this, including the neck screw:

http://www.saxpics.com/the_gallery/Keilwerth/misc/voss_9199_sq/
wally
User ID: 9147853
Sep 2nd 12:24 PM
Pssst, docsado is my ebay name. I have to stop using it on SOTW ...
Bo Meyer
User ID: 0791694
Sep 2nd 11:38 PM
Hi Wally,

So you were he one that bought 8722, I kept the pictures in my archive, as it is rare to see a Roxy for sale. My engraving is sligthly different than yours, the "Roxy" is engraved negative (I.E. the area around roxy is engraved, and therefore roxy appears in plain polished brass.

Good luck with you sax !!

Bo
wally
User ID: 2066234
Sep 22nd 1:37 AM
Keilwerth spokeswoman confirmed that the Roxy was indeed made by Dörfler & Jörka, a company Keilwerth later absorbed. Also told me it uses many Keilwerth-identical parts. Turns out the one I bought from StarvingMusician off eBay was missing the rod for the body octave key. Also, some idiot filed down the _rolled_ low-C tonehole. This has become more of a project horn than I initially anticipated...

Says "Made in Germany." How old might that make it? Pre-WW2 or post Cold War?
Bo Meyer
User ID: 0791694
Sep 23rd 10:59 AM
Dörfler & Jörka only exsisted from 1949 to 1968, so your saxophone is after WW2.

For those who can read german, there are some more information further down............if requested it can be translated.......

Regards

Bo

Am 1.3.1949 hatte Josef Dörfler sein Holzblasinstrumente-Gewerbe angemeldet. Mit den Herren Josef Kühnl und Franz Hamm arbeitet man in der Hügelstraße 21. Hauptsächlich war man für die Firma Keilwerth beschäftigt. Den von Keilwerth gelieferten Saxophoncorpus versah man in mehreren Operationen mit dem Klappenmechanismus. Nachdem die Firma Keilwerth immer weniger Arbeit an Dörfler zu vergeben hatte, gründete man am 1.9.1950 die Firma „Dörfler & Jörka, Saxophonherstellung“. Die Werkstatt hatte man in der Steinstraße 18. Am 31.12.1965 schied Hubert Jörka aus der Firma aus und das Geschäft wurde von Josef Dörfler allein weitergeführt. Aus Altersgründen meldete er die Firma am 31.1.1968 ab.
Stephan
User ID: 0373644
Sep 23rd 12:58 PM
Bo,
As I live in Nauheim and know Dörflers son (he is in his 70th and still living at Steinstr.18) I am quite curious about the information and your knowlege on Dörfler.
I would like to know where you got the information from. And your back ground anyway.

I was lucky to get the remaining spare parts (perls,rollers,screws ect.) from Mr. Dörfler last year when he cleared out his shelfs and drawers in his workshop.

Regards,
Stephan
Bo Meyer
User ID: 0791694
Sep 23rd 11:29 PM
Stephan,
As I have collected saxophones for several years, I always try to find information on each horn. What I posted, was from an article about instument-makers in Nauheim written by Karl-Heinz Pilz from Nauheim.

Here is the link : http://mitglied.lycos.de/GemeindeNauheim/musik.htm

Kind regards

Bo Meyer
Stephan
User ID: 0373644
Sep 24th 12:08 PM
Thanks Bo,
Looks like you are more up to date on Nauheim as I am.
It's quite sad don't you think?
Regards,
Stephan
wally
User ID: 2066234
Sep 24th 5:15 PM
Ingrid Aspacher with Keilwerth (Boosey & Hawkes) in Nauheim has been so kind as to send me a set of rods for my Roxy. I can hardly wait to get them, and to put this horn in good playing condition.
wally
User ID: 8952923
Dec 6th 2:16 PM
The petrified red pads on this horn had the same foil lining underneath their leather, as sarge described for a certain Keilwerth horn.

Incidentally, beaurocrat accountants at Boosey in California have prevented me from obtaining the set of rods/screws Ms. Aspacher so kindly sent my way. I presume the box will gather dust for years in a Boosey warehouse.